X-Flight/Flying Coaster question

Tuesday, June 24, 2003 7:18 PM
I was wondering about the verticle loop on X-Flight at SFWoA, or any flying coaster with a verticle loop, for that matter. Why do you have to travel on the inside of the loop? I've never seen a flying coaster where the trains travel on the outside of the loop (you can't even do it it Roller Coaster Tycoon). It would seem to me that laying in the "Superman" position, it would be better to ride on the outside, like an inverted coaster (like Raptor). The G-forces aren't that bad, are they?
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Tuesday, June 24, 2003 7:22 PM
I think the designers don't want to put that much of a load on the restraints. Three to five Gs in those harnesses may be a little uncomfortable as well.
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Tuesday, June 24, 2003 7:30 PM
yeah, I think the same think boblogone said, the g's may pose a safety risk along with comfort, i know for me the ride is fairly comfortable, but for my girlfriend or any females with decent size chest its a rather uncomfortable ride all together, even with out the loop
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Tuesday, June 24, 2003 7:34 PM
I'd have to agree with that. 3 Gs or more on your butt is one thing, but on your chest - especially for female riders - would be downright painful.

EDIT: Fxnib beat me to it.

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Tuesday, June 24, 2003 7:34 PM
The loop crushes as it is on the inside. I can't imagine it on the outside.
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Tuesday, June 24, 2003 7:42 PM
On S:UF at SFGAm during the pretzel loop my chest feels like someone is strangling my lungs. It is pretty extreme. As for why they do not do a loop on the outside may be because the technology has not been proven yet. The trains on a flying coaster are heavier and the support structure for a loop like a inverted coaster loop may not be sturdy enough to support the train safly. That could be a reason mabey not.

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Wednesday, June 25, 2003 7:55 AM
I seriously doubt the problem is structural. Look at the section on Silver Star in the first pull out (I think) with the massively deep spine...

I don't think safety is anymore of an issue than in any other part of the ride. The restraints might need to be redesigned, but it wouldn't be hard at all. I think comfort is the major issue, especially with the pretzel (rather than the Vekoma standard loop).

Talon's loop seemed to be skinny and tall, which I assume means it has a weak pull in and pull out, and a little more snap at the top. This kind of loop would probably be more appropriate for a flyer.
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*** This post was edited by ApolloAndy 6/25/2003 11:56:37 AM ***

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Wednesday, June 25, 2003 8:06 AM
Thanks Andy x8.
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Wednesday, June 25, 2003 8:17 AM
Sorry. Browser freaked. Cleaned up my mess.

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Wednesday, June 25, 2003 7:01 PM
It's alright, you did make a lot of good points though. Sorry, didn't mean to be a jerk about it, those things happen.
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Wednesday, June 25, 2003 7:40 PM
I agree with Andy... but even so, if you ride Talon in the back row... you get a good amount of Gs on the backside of the loop, that would be very uncomfortable in the prone position. The trains are too long to make a loop that would be less forcefull. Either that, or it would have to have a huge radius.

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Wednesday, June 25, 2003 7:48 PM
I think if the loop was very big, like around 100 feet, and rounder than your average teardrop, it would actually be quite fun. I have thought about this many times and would love to see one made. I can see the point about the g's though. It would be very intense. But if the loop was big like on Mantis or SKC at SFFT and/or rounder like Deja Vu's I don't think it would be that bad.
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Thursday, June 26, 2003 1:39 AM
well silver star's trains are not as heavy as a flying coaster's. I'm not sure about the structural thing but A loop like that would be pretty thrilling i tell you what

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Thursday, June 26, 2003 4:41 AM
Does anyone out there really hate all the flying coasters out there, also do you even hate the idea totally?
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Thursday, June 26, 2003 5:22 AM
Not at all. I've never ridden a B&M one, but I've ridden both Batwing and X-Flight and loved them. It's a new take on an old experience. I was scared crapless on my first ride, and I think it has that same effect on the GP. That feeling makes people come back, which allows us to enjoy more coasters as a result of the park's increased profit. ;) In a simplified answer, I like the idea. :) Have a nice day!

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Thursday, June 26, 2003 5:23 AM
Peanut butter: the rounder a loop is, the more intense it will be, because the smaller the radius will be at the faster spots (pull in and pull out).

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