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mrk468zz said:
"No doubt Arrow has patents for the 4-D, likely related to track and train design. But it cannot patent the 4-D concept, just as B&M can't patent the concept of an inverted, but does patent train and track design"
Okay, you are not hearing (reading) me. Unless Arrow has patented this ride NOT under the company name "Arrow", I'm TELLING you, no US Patent exists. It's *possible* that they have an application under examination, but there is no publically available evidence of that. As to B&M what they patented was:
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1. A roller coaster amusement ride, comprising:
a pair of parallel, roller coaster rails fixed in space;
a bogie freely moveable along said rails;
means to seat a passenger rigidly affixed to said bogie so as to avoid any
pendulum-like movement, and that position a seated passenger's head in closer
proximity to said bogie than are the passenger's body and limbs, and that position a
seated passenger's limbs to suspend freely; and
means to harness a seated passenger to said means to seat a passenger that
immobilize a seated passenger's body, but permit a seated passenger's limbs to
remain freely suspended. "
To me, that sounds a lot like the inverted "concept" doesnt it?
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I think the next park to recive a 4-D park will be a european becuase if you think about it, every really cool coaster is in europe. Like oblivion at alton towers, or Gravity Max. I mean come on when are they going to bring that stuff over here. I also belive that X would be the most greatest ride ever, but for those who have been on it I have a quick question.
Q: If you have ride Choas, then is it like that, so that it would be hard to see where you are going like a flying coaster? and How is it to sit out side the track?
Please answer
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Jeremy said, about the B&M patent:
"...means to seat a passenger rigidly affixed to said bogie so as to avoid any pendulum-like movement."
And there, my friends, is one of the main reasons why Vekoma's SLC design almost always produces a rough ride with lots of side-to-side and front-to-back shuffling of the seats. Next time you're near an SLC take a nice, long look at how the seats are attached to the wheel assemblies. You'll notice seats are actually designed to swing freely, like an Arrow suspended, then dampened with two rods to prevent them from doing so [although they still can move a little, hence the shuffling].
Thus ends your lesson for today ;-)
Moosh
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*** This post was edited by Mamoosh on 9/11/2002. ***
MMCoasterbear I was there this past Saturday which I believe was September 7th. Now I'm not sure what happened later in the afternoon & evening but for the time I was there waiting SF only ran one train and the other two sat idle while two mechanics worked on one of them.
Steel Phanton to be honest I've never rode Chaos because I'm not into flat rides too much, but I can say sitting out there on that rail was a high within itself and a definite head trip. Too me it seemed like the flips and mind bogging effect lasted forever but I think I counted 3-4 flips. But sitting out there out that rail... Priceless and worth my driving to SFMM on a Saturday and stay for 6 hours and ride a total of #2 rides.
rdmc:
There was a time in the late morning and early afternoon that we couldn't see 'X' so they must have only operated one train when they first opened. That's too bad that you had to wait so long (come to think of it, when we talking to people in line at other rides, they did say they had to wait around 3 hours for their X ride). We went to X first thing in the morning to wait but after 45 minutes an announcement was made that they didn't know when the ride would open, so we decided to leave and return later. When we drove into the parking lot at 9:30 a.m. we did notice two trains on the transfer track, with the third one obviously in the loading or unloading area.
2Hostyl said:
To me, that sounds a lot like the inverted "concept" doesnt it?
no, it doesn't. cause B&M patented their design of the inverted concept, not the inverted concept itself.
OK - It's time for a math class. First of all, the listed capacity is based on three train operation (which X has NEVER seen yet). Second, the listed capacity was figured before the ride was ever constructed. It breaks down like this:
28 passengers per train.
3 trains = 84 passengers per cycle time (appx 3 min)
19 cycles per hour per train (or 1 cycle every 3+ minutes)
84 passengers x 19 cycles = 1596pph (round it to 1600 to look good)
That's the "hypothetical" breakdown of the mathematics.
336 pph seems about right for the actual capacity it's running at (based on my wait last time I was there) with ONE train operation. I'd figure around 550 with two trains.
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