I think the ones on Mantis on the first hill are kind of dumb, but they must have been put there for a reason. Though I've never been on it but it looks like it would ruin the first drop. Looks like an awesome coaster anyway though.
i would have to say on the first drop. beast has them on the first drop and while you can't really tell, compare it with a brakeless run and you go down that hill a whole lot faster without the brakes and it just sets the tone for one kick*** ride.
As far as the trim brake on Mantis - it was put there to slow down the first half of the ride - people were complaining that the train went into the first loop too fast, and were getting headaches from it. (I have a bit of trouble beleiving that, having ridden it opening year, but I guess there's a bunch of wusses out there... *grin*)
The ones are on Mean Streak 'cause the force of the trains was ripping the ride apart.
Raging Bull on the hump after the 1st turnaround. You still get some air, but it was awesome before. Again, in the figure 8 at the end. It totally takes away the positive Gs. :(
I assume the airtime and +Gs were too much for the average person ?
Don't forget the brakes on the American Eagle just before the helix. Another disappointment.
And...as mentioned Mean Streak on the first drop - what a horrible way to start out what looks like a good coaster. ------------- Current favorite coasters: Wooden: 1) Beast 2) Raven 3) Son of Beast 4) The Boss 5) Timber Wolf Steel: 1) Raging Bull 2) Millennium Force 3) V2 4) Wild Thing 5) Mr. Freeze
The trims on The Beast, are on the first drop, before the second drop, in the brake shed/trim area, and some off of the second lift hill. The only one you can really notice is the one in the covered brake run.
Joe Carroll said: "Raging Bull on the hump after the 1st turnaround. You still get some air, but it was awesome before. "
You can really feel that thing, the train is going nice and smooth, and all of a sudden, it shakes like crazy. I still get huge air on that hill. ------------- "Thank you for challenging the Raging Bull-We hope you enjoy the rest of you're day, here at Six Flags Great America"
Grant, the trims are all the way down the first drop on the Beast. It's not as noticeable as other coasters because it uses skid brakes and just rides the brakes all the way down the drop rather than having them slammed on for a second.
Next time you go on it, try to peek down the drop and you will see the two silver brakes extending almost all the way down the drop.
I agree with many that Mean Squeak has the the worst brakes. My opinion, if you can't maintain it, don't build it.
SFDLSuperman said: I agree with many that Mean Squeak has the the worst brakes. My opinion, if you can't maintain it, don't build it.
Woodies require maintenance, that's the way it is. Cheaper to build in the first place, though, so I'm not particularly enamored of the "ripping the ride apart" argument. Yes, woodies do damage the running track as the seasons wear on. Life's tough. I don't hear Jeff Hammersly crying about the off-season rehab he has to do EVERY year at HW! My other "bad place" is on Mouse coasters, OUCH - but the only really wild mice are Reverchons, anyway. Paramount's installing 2 Mack mice for next year. 1 more thing: I rode Mantis in '99, smoothest B&M stand-up I had ridden at that point. Rode it this year, nearly as bad as Chang - smoother is better than slower.
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jdancisin said: "The trim on Mantis' first drop doesn't bother me that much. For one specific reason - I really like how slow you go through the loop, your feet completely lift off the floor.
I love the trims on Mantis, because you do get some excellent airtime through the loop now. As for the Mean Streak, I don't mind the brakes on the drop because they do make the ride smoother (such as it is - I like it!), but the block brakes bother me -- you slow down so much, it really feels like you're going to stop. I won't presume to know what sorts of brakes are needed to operate a coaster or for the structural integrity of the ride, but those brakes always seemed to be the most extreme to me.