Woman says she survived sexual attack at Valleyfair

First of all, I hope they catch the foon who aledgedly assaulted her.

On the other hand, I hope this isn't some sort of scam.

Perhaps knowing what the number of reported incidents at the park this year compared to last would be more telling than the decrease in arrests. After all, these punks got away.

The fact that the good Samaritans are unknown is what's so strange about it. It also seems weird that someone who was literally pulled off the midway wasn't seen during the attack. Clearly she was hurt and the attack was real, but there are so many questions.

I believe her. I don't think it was a scam but then again anything is possible. This is why they have self-defense classes!

This is no scam. I know the victim. Also, if you read the article or listen to the complete video, there was another attack that very night. That attack did not make the new media so she had no way of knowing. The injuries are definately from an attack. Part of the reason for the delay in this story making it into the media is because Valleyfair denied that this attack was reported to them. Valleyfair has been in the news for their lack of security issues. No one should have to go thru such vicious attacks. Unfortunately, I do not think that a self defense class would have done much in this situation. These three idiots were determined to assult someone that evening and they succeeded, unfortunately. As for the good samaritians not having come forward prior to the airing of this story last Friday, that was the first it hit the media. How would they have had the chance to come forward? One idiot was arrested in the other attack that same night. If you have been out there for "ValleyScare", then you may realize how easy it is for such an attack to happen. With the environment that includes loud screams and moans, fog and darkness, this is very possible to happen. These idiots realized it and took advantage of their surroundings. We put trust in going to public places, it does not matter if it is an amuzement park, a concert, ball game or even a wedding. We always need to keep in mid that all it takes is one idiot, and why in the world three of them decide to act this way, we may never know. You know the says "Great minds think alike". In this case its three deranged minds think alike. These attacks at Valleyfair may not have been the only ones that these guys have committed. So many times, the victims do not report them. It takes a lot of courange and bravery along with support from loved ones to report and hopefully see face their attackers in the court system.

^ Welcome to the boards. Nice first post!

coasterqueenTRN said:
I believe her. I don't think it was a scam but then again anything is possible. This is why they have self-defense classes!

It is likely that self-defense classes would have done little to help her. As someone trained in the martial arts I learned that all the fighting skills in the world are useless if you do not practice them over and over again and become confident in them until you can do them on instinct.

Many who learn self-defense find themselves panicking in a dangerous situation and they freeze. They don't remember to jam their foot into the top of the guy's foot. They don't remember to try and get the guy in the boys. They flail around when grabbed, that few hours of training out the window in a real life situation.

Flip side of the coin, however, we had one of our girls, a black belt, that was attacked on her way back to her dorm. She was confronted by two guys. All she did was go into a guarding stance and give out a loud kiyap. When the attackers saw her confidence they took off. Bottom line is that it takes years of training to exhibit that much confidence. They did not run because she screamed real loud and dropped into a fighting stance. They ran because they saw her confidence in the way she carried herself in the situation.

I don't think anyone denies that it happened. I'm sure she didn't hit herself. (Though in the interest of full disclosure, I did have a "friend" in college who did just that for the attention.)

I have been to Valleyfair during the event, and I'd love to know where it happened, because I can't imagine it's that easy. Compared to sister park Cedar Point, the fog and lighting is relatively inconsequential, and I thought it was pretty easy to "feel" the presence of security. I'm not willing to pass responsibility to the park because of three neanderthals.

Thank you for the warm welcome!

It just breaks my heart when people throw doubt out there that an attack actually happened. Yes, there are some people who have filed reports and when the truth comes out, it was all a hoax.

This is definately not the case at Valleyfair. The fact that a 21 year old was arrested that same night for an attack on another young lady. Just so fortunate that others came forward and stopped the attack on Karly. Karly was screaming, but her screams were washed out by the noise of the haunted houses. It is hard to say what may have happened if this was not stopped, we are just greatful that there were some wonderful people who were able to stop the attack.

Well that's what I don't get. There isn't a lot of audible screaming on the midways, except for perhaps from certain rides. The report refers to "a secluded part of the park, near a darkened cave, by a haunted house." The only cave I can think of is where the train scare is, which is high traffic, in the middle of the park, and typically manned by several workers. It's also not near any of the haunted houses. The only places you could call secluded are the areas beyond Renegade, which are closed, and the Kids Works area, which is in the middle of a fright zone with cops in it.

Again, I'm not trivializing the attack, but there are more questions than answers, which is why I would stop short in criticizing Valleyfair.

Well, I hope that the girl who was reportedly attacked is ok. But if they licked her neck as she claims, the police should have been able to swab it to (at least) determine if there was other DNA there, or in a best case scenario to identify the attackers from the DNA databases.

As to doubting the attack, just need to look at the recent case in PA where the McCain supporter claimed she was assaulted by the Obama supporter - which she later admitted was false.

Obama supporters assault puppies, not humans.

Judy, my apologies for doubting the situation. I just hope your freiend makes a full recovery and bounces back.

I hope they catch those bums who did this to here and the other girl, and have them shot.

Something happened but something seems missing. That could be intentional due to an ongoing investigation. But it does seem a bit odd three men would grab someone right off the midway then take her somewhere. Nobody witnessed this? Perhaps she scratched the attackers which could also produce DNA evidence under her finger nails. And the people who stopped this didn't stick around for the police or haven't come forward? That seems kinda odd to me. I hope she is okay and they catch these people. I'm just wondering if she maybe got smooth talked into going to this secluded area with these guys and thats when they attacked her. She may think people will think its her fault if she did go with them. No excuse for someone assaulting her. Of course this is all speculation but it just seems really odd someone would pick a person up and carry them off in a crowded public place.

Jeff said:

I have been to Valleyfair during the event, and I'd love to know where it happened, because I can't imagine it's that easy.

The print version mentioned it being near tunnel, and the TV version mentioned that she went to get food while her friends were on Power Tower. both versions mentioned it being behind a Haunted House. My guess is that the attack happened near the exit of Cheatue Du Damne (Hi-Test Arcade), probably between there and the tunnel for the train. The train crossing isn't manned by employees when the train isn't running, and it's about...10 feet I'd say... from the back of Cheatue. Of course, I don't actually know where it took place, just guessing based on the information availible.

I made a mockup of what I'm talking about for those unfamiliar with the layout of the park: http://valleyfairzone.com/image/junk/vfassault.JPG

The gates block the tunnel. You can't get into it. It's also filled with the train on one side and props on the other. Just off to the side from there, an employee mans a button that triggers train noises and lights (and scares the crap out of people not expecting it).

To anyone who has any doubts as to this happening, keep in mind, two seperate attacks were reported. Both having taken place the very same night. Is that just a coincidence? These gals do not know each other, nor were they aware that another attack was reported. There were others that walked by as Karly was being attacked, they chose to do nothing. No different that the father that was attacked in the parking lot a few months back, more people watched, or simply walked by, then to take any action to stop the violence. Society has innocent ones not wanting to get involved. The cuts and bruises that are reflected in the video were already a week old, she had several layers of clothing on, including a jacket. As for evidence, I will not comment as I do not want my comments to have any impact on prosecution. For ever time that people throw doubt that these attacks happen, that just gives the victims more reason to question reporting crimes such as these. Unless these crimes are reported and prosecuted, these idiots will continue to violate others and get away with it. Allowing crimes such as this to happen is a crime. For all victims out there, never get discouraged by others who cast doubt. For your self and others, you need to report this type of attack. I know Karly very well, she is not the kind to be smooth talked and walk off with anyone. She felt that it was safe there and took a short walked to get a piece of pizza. These guys say an opportunity and acted on that.

Uh, no one is suggesting it didn't happen or never happens. There are just more questions than answers as to the details.

Not saying it didn't happen and even if she did walk off with them she didn't deserve to get attacked or abused. I just find it odd that at the very least someone didn't call 911 when they may have saw someone getting dragged or carried away. People call 911 when they are caught in a traffic jam to bitch or call for a barking dog. I can see people not stopping to help like you pointed out. That happens all the time. I would never do nothing. And they may be very well leaving these facts out due to the ongoing investigation. It just seems a bit odd to many. Hope she recovers from both her physical and emotional injuries.