will the Thunderbolt be the same?

Anyone look at Kennywood's web site lately?There's alot of the Thunderbolt torn apart to make room for Phantom's Revenge,When they put it back together I hope this won't affect this awesome classic coaster.

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Long live the Phantom!

No. They did the same thing when they built Steel Phantom. This is one time when you can put humpty dumpty back together again.

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Thank you for riding America's Roller Coast

Gosh, I had no idea that they were going to tear down that much of the Thunderbolt.

I hope for all this work being done, that Phantom's Revenge doesn't turn out to be a bomb. Let's face it, except for that awesome "inverted" camelback after the first drop, the rest of the layout looks pretty dull.

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Parks for 2000: CP, Great Escape, Great Adventure, SFA, Islands of Adventure, Kennywood

kOrN4/8/00 said:
"I hope for all this work being done, that Phantom's Revenge doesn't turn out to be a bomb. Let's face it, except for that awesome "inverted" camelback after the first drop, the rest of the layout looks pretty dull.

That element is no longer in the ride. It has been taken out. I still think it is going to be a great ride. that huge turn around at the bottom of the second hill is going to be fun!

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All time Top 5: (1) Milleniun Force (2) Alpengeist (3) Hulk (4) Ice Dragon (5) Raptor

Where are these picture on Kennywood's website?? I wanna see!!!:)

Nevermind, I found them! Sorry! *** This post was edited by Coastercraver on 3/10/2001. ***

I wasn't even aware that they had taken that element out. Now that I have heard of this, I'm sorry to say that IMO Phantom's Revenge will be a bomb.

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Parks for 2000: CP, Great Escape, Great Adventure, SFA, Islands of Adventure, Kennywood

I agree. I think they should have just taken it all out, and started over. Even if we would have had to wait another year.

People, let's not judge the ride before it even has had its's first test run. Let's see what Mr. Morgan and designers have in mind. Remember these are the folks who gave the world Steel Dragon,Momba and Steel Force. I know we're all suffering from severe withdrawal symptoms at this time,but give them a break. Opening day is only a few weeks away. As far as PR is concerned it will be open when it's ready.

That's right. Phantom's Revenge will be a bomb. I mean, geez, it's only a 228-foot drop. Who wants to ride a coaster with the third longest drop in North America? I know I wouldn't. And look at the second half of that layout! Nothing but airtime hills! A coaster with nothing but bunny hops on the home stretch could never be a good one. Plus, look at that tunnel. I'm sure nobody likes flying headlong at 70+ miles an hour into a hillside. How boring.

Honestly, people. Stop for a second and think about what you're saying. If you don't like the layout, that's fine... but saying it's going to be a "bomb" before even 10 new pieces of track are laid is simply ridiculous. Now, don't just think I'm sitting here defending PR, because yes, I agree that the layout could have been more interesting. But I'm not here saying it's going to be a bomb, for goodness sake.

Some here may disagree with this, and I'm sure that this whole post is going to heed a lot of nasty replies, but in my book, this is the bottom line:

You cannot judge a coaster until you've ridden it.

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Matt Lynch, who's done ranting...
Co-Webmaster, Kennywood Boulevard
http://kennywood.coasterbuzz.com *** This post was edited by Lynch on 3/10/2001. ***

I'm with Lynch all the way, it seems like the only thing that satisfies some people are record breaking coasters and it makes me sick. How do you know how PR will turn out, you might be completely blown away when you actually ride it. A lot of the coasters I have rode looked weak at first but I would be surprised when I actually got to ride it. Please don't judge coasters before riding them, or at least keep it to yourself.

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Joe Cernelli
Head Webmaster, Kennywood Boulevard
http://kennywood.coasterbuzz.com/

Who ever said record breakers are the only ones to satisfy people. MF was a record breaker, and it is no where near being one of my favorite coasters. Yet, S:ROS at SFA hasn't broken any records, and it is my favorite. The reason why MF didn't satisfy me was because its layout stunk IMO. Wow, PR will have bunnyhops leading to the station...wow, Nitro does too, and its layout looks ten times better.

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Parks for 2000: CP, Great Escape, Great Adventure, SFA, Islands of Adventure, Kennywood

Let me be the first to disagree with you, Lynch. :) Sure, nobody can say exactly what the ride will be like or even how much they'll like it, but that doesn't mean we can't speculate on it. I can't see PR being that great either. I didn't see any great parts besides that pass by the Jackrabbit (or whatever that coaster is) and it looks way too short. Does that mean I'll hate it or it won't end up being my favorite coaster? Of course not, but I can compare it to other coasters I've ridden and assume that it won't be a knockout.

So, for me, this is the bottom line: We can talk about an unfinished coaster and what we think it will be like, but we'll never know for sure until we ride it ourselves. *** This post was edited by StandUpFan on 3/10/2001. ***

Sure. Don't get me wrong... Speculating and forming primary opinions is all part of being an enthusiast. If we didn't look at, wonder about, and critique layouts of rides, a huge chunk of the anticipation would be gone.

What I can't stand, though, is when people talk about a ride like it's up, running, and they've ridden it 30 times. If you don't like the way a ride looks, say, "The layout looks boring." Don't say, "That ride will suck." That's what annoys me.

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Matt Lynch
Co-Webmaster, Kennywood Boulevard
http://kennywood.coasterbuzz.com

Defensive defensive, testy testy!
Remember freedom of speech in this country. If someone wants to say something, they have the right to say it. That's what these forums are for - expressing ourselves.

(Hmm... Getting off-topic here...)

While that's true, this is a privately-owned site, so Jeff has the right to moderate what you can and can't say.

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Matt Lynch, who's realizes that the can of worms is wide open now...
Co-Webmaster, Kennywood Boulevard
http://kennywood.coasterbuzz.com

So what do you consider a great layout? I think that a 228 foot drop over and under the Thunderbolt into a dark valley, a tunnel under the Thunderbolt, and several bunny hops is a fine layout.

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Joe Cernelli
Head Webmaster, Kennywood Boulevard
http://kennywood.coasterbuzz.com/

SilverWinds, these forums are meant for expressing ourselves as long as we don't say something the moderators deem inappropriate or take offense to. Trust me, some of my posts have been on the list. It kinda has to be that way or discussions would get off-topic or nasty a lot of the time, but that's just the way it is.

Lynch, I guess we don't disagree too much after all. But I think we should assume that whatever people say is their opinion, because it is regardless of how it's written. They might think their idea is the one that counts or, like me, they could not be watching their words when they write. Either way I really doubt it's intended to cause any harm and we could save ourselves plenty of trouble if we assume that. I can remember discussing this a couple times, but it doesn't hurt to put the subject out there again.

I was just checking out KPU and saw that they are reproting that there will be a change to the second hill on PR. Before we get excited though let's remember the things that have been said on KPU.
PR will be rebuilt by Arrow (they even said they talked to an Arrow employee at the park)
That there was going to be a record breaking B&M Inverted
That the ride would be renamed the Cliffhanger
now I'm about 80% sure this is untrue, but it does make a little sense to me. Perhaps I just need some sleep.