Will park popularity make a difference?

Saturday, April 6, 2002 2:10 PM

We always talk about Cedar Point and all the Six Flags chain parks and we see how popular they are. A lot of polls, online and off tend to have their top 5 roller coasters from these big name parks. This is because of the popularity of the park. Even if there are coasters that are better than the ones at Magic Mountain or Cedar Point, people will still vote for them because they are big names.

While I was looking at the Millennium Force or X topic I noticed the people who have ridden both seemed to like X more than Milliennium Force. Now generally coasters from Cedar Point take 1st or 2nd place on polls because they are good rides but also because of the parks popularity (CP is number 1). What I want to know is do you think that if two big parks have these really good coaster but one park is slightly more popular than the other, will the popular park come out on time or will the better ride take number 1.

This is in no way slamming, dissing, putting down ect. Six Flags Magic Mountain, thats just gave me the idea for the topic. It would be the same if Busch Garden's and Magic Mountain went head to head, which roller coaster world come out. Is it all about popularity?

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Saturday, April 6, 2002 2:14 PM

Disneyland is more popular then both of those parks, but I don't see any of the coasters getting a lot of votes.

In other words, no. The parks you are mentioning wouldn't be popular in the first place if the rides weren't good.

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Saturday, April 6, 2002 2:23 PM
What coasters at Disney World are that good though? The reason Disney World is so popular is because they have rides, coasters and attractions for everybody.

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*** This post was edited by Jephry on 4/6/2002. ***

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Saturday, April 6, 2002 2:25 PM
Yeah, definitely, those parks are popular because they have some of the best coasters on the planet! I definitely don't think that Millenium Force gets all the attention it gets just because it is at a big name theme park.

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Saturday, April 6, 2002 2:38 PM
It's souly based on popularity, great example would be the Golden Ticket Awards. Of few rides of that their few correspondants have been on about 1/3 of their voters are Ohioers. Tell me how many people do you think factored in Steel Dragon 2000 before they said Milledium Force was number one. Even when Fujiyama and Goliath opened who was #1, Magnum XL 200. I can still count two B&M inverteds in the on the same island that beat Raptor at its owwn game, but Raptor is still at #8. Where are they, Pyreenes and Orochi are nowhere to be heard of, and I bet you haven't heard much about them either. Rides like Steel Force are family coasters compared to Titan(Japan), and Texas TornadoVenus divided in half, have you heard of Venus though. Try Regina for a top rated woodie, as you say what is Regina, look it up and see what you're missing. I could go on, but what point would I be making, popularity rules all and don't get me started with Six Flags.
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Saturday, April 6, 2002 3:24 PM
Don't you think the Legend would be rated over the Raven if the Legend was at Cedar Point instead?
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Saturday, April 6, 2002 3:25 PM
Well, I think don't think that a parks popularity directly affects the ride ranking (although I do
think that some people who really pull for their home parks will have a bias), I do think that they are related. A good park is popular, and a good park enhances the ride experience. When I'm having a fun day at a park, I will have a much better experience on a coaster than when I'm having a bad day at a park.
For example, I like DDFire much better than Montu.
Most people would take Montu first, but I was having a bad day at BGT (bad headache) and was completely blown away by the theming at IOA. I mean if you moved them both into a parking lot somewhere, I might pick Montu first, but the setting and the "joy of being a kid again" really hit at IOA and made me like their coaster better. IOA is popular because it gives you that "joy of being a kid" and that makes the coasters more enjoyable.
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Saturday, April 6, 2002 3:41 PM

Vertigo, firstly and foremost, Amusement Today, the magazine that publishes the Golden Tickets, is an American publication. It is published for americans.

Orochi is a clone of Raptor, so why should it do any better than Raptor, in reality, the original should be the one rated - would you rate a newer B:TR over the original? No, the original is the one which gains recognition for obvious reasons.

Steel Force is a taller ride than Titan, appears to have a better layout than Titan, and Titan wasn't exactly a smooth ride. Venus is a nice ride, but no where near the force of Taz's Texas Tornado, and with four inversions compared to one, it doesn't seem any competition to me.

I'll give you Pyrenees, but simply, nobody who votes has ridden it. Japan isn't exactly a destination for many Coaster people, Europe and USA seem the places everyone goes, probably for cost and language and cultural reasons.

I haven't ridden Regina, but from the POV, it seems a wild ride. Of the rides you gave as examples, this one seems the only candidate.

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Saturday, April 6, 2002 3:54 PM
Look at it this way a few weeks ago there was a poll on this site about the most popular ride for 2002. I think Wicked Twister had the most with about 47% or something around there. Superman Ultimate Flight had around 20%. Now come one, theres no way WT could even come close to being as good as SUF, no way.

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Saturday, April 6, 2002 3:59 PM

I think you guys are missing what I am asking. We already know that a large park with a good ride will beat a small park with a great ride.

Look at the example. Cedar Point is the number 1 park right now, Magic Mountain is not far behind. Say X is a better ride than Millennium Force, as far as polls go, would X come out on top of would Cedar Point's popularity keep Millennium Force on top.

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Saturday, April 6, 2002 4:08 PM
I don't believe Cedar Point is even the most popular seasonal park for yearly attendance. I think both SFGAdv and PKI had better attendance than CP in 2001 even though they have longer seasons.

On the subject, I think some coasters at CP are voted as better just because people really do like them better. I'm sure there might be some other factors, such as a lot of enthusiasts from the state/region and a lot of people going to CP and SFMM for their amount of coasters and reputation, but the name probably only has marginal significance IMO. While I personally would rather ride Magnum or Raptor any day before MF, I can seriously see what people would vote it the best. The elements of speed and height really get the fear factor going for people and give them a good ride. And if they even got to SFNE, they would know what a real good ride was. ;)

I'm sure MF would have a lot more competition for "best" coaster if Superman, EGF, and Goliath(SFH) had a larger group of riders that had taken those polls. Now for a real poll, check out Mitch Hawker's. While its not perfect, its the best head-to-head I've seen.

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Saturday, April 6, 2002 4:28 PM

Some coasters at popular parks also rate consistantly low. For example Son Of Beast. A lot of course depends on how the poll is structured.

The Internet Wooden and Steel Coaster Polls are structured so that they eliminate a lot of the effect of the popular park. In their wooden coaster poll #1 is a French coaster and most of the top 10 are at smaller parks. The best ranking that a Cedar Point woodie could manage last year was 66th.

*** This post was edited by Jim Fisher on 4/6/2002. ***

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Saturday, April 6, 2002 4:41 PM

Look at Boulder Dash, its the best wooden coaster in the Northeast and nobody even knows it exists. Everyone says the Cyclone is "the best ride ever" but it can't compare at all with Boulder Dash.

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Saturday, April 6, 2002 5:31 PM

auscoasterman said:

Vertigo, firstly and foremost, Amusement Today, the magazine that publishes the Golden Tickets, is an American publication. It is published for americans.

Orochi is a clone of Raptor, so why should it do any better than Raptor, in reality, the original should be the one rated - would you rate a newer B:TR over the original? No, the original is the one which gains recognition for obvious reasons.

Steel Force is a taller ride than Titan, appears to have a better layout than Titan, and Titan wasn't exactly a smooth ride. Venus is a nice ride, but no where near the force of Taz's Texas Tornado, and with four inversions compared to one, it doesn't seem any competition to me.

I'll give you Pyrenees, but simply, nobody who votes has ridden it. Japan isn't exactly a destination for many Coaster people, Europe and USA seem the places everyone goes, probably for cost and language and cultural reasons.

I haven't ridden Regina, but from the POV, it seems a wild ride. Of the rides you gave as examples, this one seems the only candidate.

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Dude, by what you just posted I know you haven't been on both of those from all your comments. Also, Venus is a much wilder ride than Texas Tornado and doesn't have multiple sets of brakes. Locations doesn't factor in how good a coaster is and by saying that you just agreed to the popularity theory. How could you say Japan is not a coaster destation, it host the most extreme collection of coasters on the planet, there are no rules over there. Last, judging a coaster from a POV is just low, do like I did and try actually riding it. Orochi actually isn't an exact clone by the way, that's the same mistake that people make with Roar East and West.

P.S.**I didn't say Golden Ticket after every sentence did I? I was talking in general (NAPHA, IAPPA, ICA who all range globally ;)) LOL From the POV he thought it was a good ride**

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Saturday, April 6, 2002 5:47 PM

Bottom line:

Its pointless to vote for a coaster you haven't ridden, so the most ridden coasters will get the most votes.

Is this that hard to figure out?

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Saturday, April 6, 2002 5:55 PM

Point Exactly!

Well said!

Discusion over!

GOOD NIGHT

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Saturday, April 6, 2002 6:05 PM
Yeah, amusement today's voting system is a little misleading at times. Mamba is #18 and Steel Force is #5, but many enthusiasts prefer Mamba over Steel Force.

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Saturday, April 6, 2002 6:29 PM

Or maybe, juuuust maybe...

Cedar Point is rated higher because their coasters are actually better?

Sure, MF never lived up to the hype, but it is still a great ride. There was just too much hype to possibly live up to!

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