Will MA be like VF,SFKK,SFEG etc.

Tuesday, January 8, 2002 6:25 PM
How much can we expect CF to spend on MA to reach it's full potential?
If CF hadn't purchased MA the park would have probably started the consrtuction of the Hyper.
Is MA better or worse for the buy out?
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Tuesday, January 8, 2002 6:29 PM
We never knew anything official about the Hyper.  Its all speculation. 
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Tuesday, January 8, 2002 6:38 PM
While in the short run, CF buying MA might seem like a bad move (from a coaster rider's perspective) it will be better in the long run, as CF is better able to handle the debt load that comes along with expansion, and also has more resources than the previous owners did.  Although this might mean less coasters over the next five years, it probably will lead to more coasters over the next 10.
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Tuesday, January 8, 2002 7:05 PM

Coaster Bob said:
How much can we expect CF to spend on MA to reach it's full potential?
If CF hadn't purchased MA the park would have probably started the consrtuction of the Hyper.
Is MA better or worse for the buy out?

I really like how people start out with the negative.   On my visit this year it looked aparent that MA was not thriving and needed backing to expand and thrive.  Come on now, Holiday Worlds admission is more than the $20 they were charging at MA.  
MA needs some TLC and I am pretty sure CF is going to give it to the park.   Dorney has gotten several coasters,  A S&S, Expanded waterpark and several other improvements in the five years since my last visit in '97.
Give it time, CF has already made several commitments for 2002 to the park to have more things to do.  I think you are in for a big surprise within 5 years you may not recognize the place!
Chuck, saying He hopes ST is just the same 5 years from now though!
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Tuesday, January 8, 2002 7:09 PM
I don't know why this comes up all of the time. The park will build whatever they can recover the cost on. Such is the case with all of their parks. Those of you looking for a 300-foot Intamin launched stand-up floorless looper need to be realistic.

People keep making it seem like Cedar Fair and Six Flags treat certain parks like red-headed step-children. It's all about the return on investment, folks, not neglecting the bastard children.

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Tuesday, January 8, 2002 10:44 PM
Jeff -- if everyone stopped to think logically before they posted you'd have a lot fewer posts here...and a lot less to make fun of!  LOL!  You're right...its funny how some people just don't get it.

Matthew

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Wednesday, January 9, 2002 12:31 AM
I believe tha CF's involvement with MA can only help the park.  CF has the needed skills and experience to bring more people into the park.  CF should be able to easily increase the park's revenue by improved advertising, customer service, and park appearance.  Any improvement in these areas should result in the immediate increase in customers.
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Wednesday, January 9, 2002 6:41 AM

What makes you so sure MA would be building a hyper now?  I sorely doubt they would.  Sure, there was talk of a hyper--just as there was talk of an S&S tower and a hotel--but that's just talk, nothing more.


Mr. Jourdan was a great man who did wonderful things for MA and for Michigan.  He had great dreams--but that doesn't mean they'd all become reality.


In the real world, MA had tee-shirts on sale for a ride that was still half-built (BeBop Blvd) and promises on the park map (railroad) that went unfulfilled.  And those unfinished projects were quite a bit cheaper than a Morgan hyper.
In truth, I think CF is the last best hope for a hyper @ MA...though to be honest, I hope it NEVER, EVER, EVER gets built.  You heard me correctly....never.  I'd prefer a classic, timeless look and feel to MA.  More woodies on all that nice, flat land.  Imagine a CCI version of the Crystal Beach Cyclone or Coney Island Cyclone. I'll even take a mine train or two...but no tall steel.  Please.
MA has a staff that knows how to care for lumber, lots of open land and a well-known neighbor (CP) nearby.  They already have a huge, free waterpark, a world-class woodie and a rustic feel..and I say go with it!  IMHO, MA should strive to be everything CP isn't.


-CPlaya

*** This post was edited by CoastaPlaya on 1/9/2002. ***

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Wednesday, January 9, 2002 6:45 AM
Note that Cedar Fair today said MA pulled in 400,000 people... which illustrates my point exactly about the kind if capital improvement you can expect to see there.

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Jeff - Webmaster/Admin - CoasterBuzz.com, Sillynonsense.com
"As far as I can tell it doesn't matter who you are. If you can believe, there's something worth fighting for..." - Garbage, "Parade"

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Wednesday, January 9, 2002 7:06 AM
To answer the question in the topic subject, my guess is that the park may hit (and this of course is completely speculative) Valleyfair's attendance numbers of 1.1 to 1.2 million people in fifteen to twenty years.  That might be too optimistic, but I think with the world's population always growing its possible.   

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Just wait till next year!

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Wednesday, January 9, 2002 7:44 AM
But let's face it...wonders can be done with $4-5 million.  ST cost about that much.  Other truly great CCI projects have cost as little as $3 million.  So there's plenty of potential there besides building a hyper.

I'll trade you ST for VF's WT any day...especially when they're choking up on the midcourse brakes.

-'Playa

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Wednesday, January 9, 2002 10:30 AM
You guys, it will be ok!! For a second take a trip back in time to the Chaos accident. I have always wondered what would've happened to the park if the Jourdens were still in ownership at that time. It was a very unfortunate accident, but I am grateful that we had CF (with its funds and experience) to deal with that.
On the coaster issue, it is highly unlikely that the coaster the Jourdens were planning would be ready for this season if in fact they still were the owners. '03 is the year guys...I know I can wait, so you can too :). I really am happy that we are part of the CF family. Timbers Fest in 133 days…

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Wednesday, January 9, 2002 3:51 PM
And another thing, just to add to Jeff's post, If you look carefully, they aren't  really neglected. I've been to SFKK, and not every park has a great standup, wooden twisters and a fair SLC. They don't really have it that bad coasterwise. Yes I do think MA is in good hands with CP.

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Wednesday, January 9, 2002 3:57 PM
I just wish SFKK was in good hand with CF!  Wouldn't that be a blessing?
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God please let SFKK get something in 2002. ANYTHING!!
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