Wednesday, November 22, 2000 1:04 PM

Jeff, does Wildfire have the new B&M restraints? From the photos it looks like it has the normal belt restraints, but from what I read, it has the new adjustable restraints.

Matt


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Wednesday, November 22, 2000 1:51 PM
Speaking of the Wildfire trains, I really liked the color combo that they went with. Very cool.

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Randy Hutchinson
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Wednesday, November 22, 2000 2:35 PM
They're standard B&M OTSR's.

The new restraints are on the hyper trains, which allow a more secure fastening for "big" people.
http://www.coasterbuzz.com/features/iaapa2000/gallery/img.asp?img=ia00bmrestraint.jpg

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Jeff
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Thursday, November 23, 2000 11:48 PM
And from what I've heard, those cables have to be attached to each and every single lap bar for a train to dispatch. Any truth to that?

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"Legend 1 looks too intense for me."
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Friday, November 24, 2000 5:43 AM
I doubt there is any control logic that monitors the state of the restraints. Contrary to popular belief, you can dispatch a B&M train with the restraints up.

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Jeff
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Friday, November 24, 2000 10:14 AM
Riiiiight, considering I operate a B&M hypercoaster, I can tell you that is 100% incorrect. Every single lap bar on Raging Bull must be down at least three clicks, or the ride cannot be dispatched (in auto mode). I guess you don't know. :-\

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"Legend 1 looks too intense for me."
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Friday, November 24, 2000 11:17 AM
I think he was talking about "non-hyper" coasters

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Friday, November 24, 2000 11:46 AM
But I asked a question specifically about Nitros *hypercoaster* lap bar springs. Not about a non-hyper train.

Jeff said: Contrary to popular belief, you can dispatch a B&M train with the restraints up.

That is just incorrect, as Raging Bull and Apollo's Chariot are, in fact, B&Ms.

So, I ask again, does anyone know for sure if Nitro's "cable" has to be attached for the train to be dispatched?

(By the way, the devices which can tell where the lap bars are on the hypers are called "contacts." They are what makes the "click-click-click" as you leave the station)

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"Legend 1 looks too intense for me."
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Friday, November 24, 2000 12:23 PM
I stand corrected. There's no reason for you to be hostile about it.

So I should qualify my statement; Raptor and Mantis, an inverted and stand-up, do not have control logic that monitors the position of the harnesses.

The cable on the Nitro car does not appear to have any switches associated with it.

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Jeff
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Friday, November 24, 2000 4:54 PM
Well I'm not sure about that either, because I rode B:TR in SFSTL one time and the train stopped on the lift because a person unbuckled the safety belt that attaches to the OTHR. I'm not sure if that was because of cameras on the lift (not sure if there are any) or if there are actually sensors in the OTHR system.

*just because I'm blonde....um what was I going to say again?*

Dustijn
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Friday, November 24, 2000 5:57 PM
If there are cases that the lift was stopped, it was stopped manually. There is no way a moving train can "talk" to the computer to tell if there's an open restraint.

Frankly, I'm not even convinced that any B&M train has contacts to relay restraint closure information to the computer, despite what Legendary says. Maybe he's right, but having crawled under three different trains, I've yet to see any thing that would indicate the passing of this information.

In fact, all B&M's open the restraint in the same manner. A long bar below (or above on the inverts) engages a lever with a wheel on the end of it. That lever pulls the release on all four seats. The once exception is most of the stand-ups (not Iron Wolf), where there are two releases for each car, for the left pair and right pair.

Other than that, I haven't seen anything that contacts the train other than the kicker wheels. Some prox switches get close, but they tend to be out near the wheels or near the center beam used for braking and kicking.

Like I said, I could be wrong, but my touching and feeling of various trains indicates otherwise.

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Jeff
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Friday, November 24, 2000 6:13 PM
Yikes, Jeff, if you thought that was hostile...well, whatever. Maybe you should think of responding kinder when you respond to someone who has incorrect information, also? Pot...kettle...black.

At any rate, about BTR in SFStL stopping on lift for seatbelts, yes, it was either an op who saw it from a camera on the life, or when the train left the station. I've seen it happen many a time on Raptor. It'll stop ten feet after engaging in the life, and op will walk up the lift and attach the belt and the train will be on its merry way.

On AC and RB I'm sure many of you have seen the infamous "red line." That is used to help determine if the lap bar is down at least three clicks. However, even if you can see the red line, that doesn't necesarily mean the lap bar is down far enough. The "contact" will relay a message when all lap bars in a row are down to the operator panel, that's how we know when a row is secure or not. Only B&M hypers have this (maybe G5 and Oblivion, I do not know about those, but doubt it since they have seat belts). Usually the way you tell if an inverted or standup is secure enough is if the seat belt is attached, that's why they don't need the contacts like the hypers do.

And that concludes your lesson about B&M restraints for today. Any questions? :)

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"Legend 1 looks too intense for me."
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Friday, November 24, 2000 6:22 PM
Jeff says: Frankly, I'm not even convinced that any B&M train has contacts to relay restraint closure information to the computer, despite what Legendary says.

I guess you just can't trust someone who worked on the ride over 800hrs this summer? :-\

Whatever the case, it's true. Come to SFGAm next summer and I'll show ya.

Then Jeff says: Maybe he's right, but having crawled under three different trains, I've yet to see any thing that would indicate the passing of this information.

I am right. ;) Which trains have you crawled under? If it wasn't AC or RB you couldn't tell where these contacts are. I'm sure you looked quite closely at Nitro, but since I haven't seen that one, I won't comment. Trust me, it's there. It's in the manual, I'm not lying, I promise. :) Hell, it's a question on the test!

'Tis all for now. Good discussion.


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"Legend 1 looks too intense for me."
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Monday, November 27, 2000 8:48 AM
Legendary - Maybe these new restraints will go along with a new Ride program that incorporates the cable system on the new Fatboy seats. I think that the Fatboy seats may hinder capacity if they have to be tended to individually. I guess we will have to wait and see.

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Monday, November 27, 2000 1:37 PM
BMCOASTER: I'm lost, are you saying that only one row on the B&M megas would get these cables? If that's what you're saying, I don't think that would be true, because the front row on Nitro has the cables and typically, the "Larger Guest Seats" are in row 5 of a train. If that's not what you're saying, well, explain, because I'm not sure I understand you. :)

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"Legend 1 looks too intense for me."
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Monday, November 27, 2000 5:27 PM
I tell you what, Legendary, if you get into pissing matches over things like this...then I hate to see when you don't know the questions on a college exam?!?!?
Are you an engineer for CCI, B&M or GCI?

2 things:
1) Isn't this site for fun or just for high blood pressured comments and remarks?
2) If you don't what I'm saying, check how you came off to someone's post, then (#2) read: It's that time of the month again" on the General Buzz...
Sheesh, I'm OUT!


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Monday, November 27, 2000 6:22 PM
Woody scribbled: I tell you what, Legendary, if you get into pissing matches over things like this...

Pissing matches...riiiiiiight.

Are you an engineer for CCI, B&M or GCI?

And this would have WHAT to do with the discussion? Look, I know the truth, and I told him. You comment on coasters, do YOU work for said companies? The discussion was basically over, why did you bring everything up again. Next time, try reading what I wrote. See all those smilies up there? That means I wrote stuff with a good attitude. Happy, if you will. I even said "good discussion." Tell me what the problem is, please.

2 things:
1) Isn't this site for fun or just for high blood pressured comments and remarks?


Hmmm...I'm having fun. The question is, are you? Doesn't seem like it.

2) If you don't what I'm saying, check how you came off to someone's post, then (#2) read: It's that time of the month again" on the General Buzz...

I wonder why that thread was closed...

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"Legend 1 looks too intense for me."
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Monday, November 27, 2000 6:55 PM
Come on guys lets kick the dead horse a few more times just to make sure he's dead. Ok I think this thread can come to an end. Peacefully hopefully, but I think we've discussed it to the end of OUR knowledge.

Dustijn
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Monday, November 27, 2000 6:56 PM
I think perhaps it's time to let this one rest, don't you think?

It's going to be a long winter if we don't get on some coasters until May!

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Jeff
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Closed topic.

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