A big part of that is price. B&M masterpieces don't come cheap, and not every park is going to invest a crap load of money when they can get a CCI or a B&M invert for cheap. If you think about it, most of the major parks already have hypers, so the smaller parks that don't have hypers aren't going to get one from B&M. Time will tell. ----------------- Please disregard anything said by me that is incomprehensible, incoherent, or just dumb. I am and will be drained from the arduous school year, thank you!
Three B&M hypers in USA: Apollo's Chariot - Busch Gardens Williamsburg Raging Bull - Six Flags Great America Nitro - Six Flags Great Adventure
I really don't know why there aren't as many B&M hypers as their are B&M inverted coaster. Maybe since a park might already have a hyper, or a B&M coaster. Maybe since some parks don't have enough room to add one. Or that some parks can't afford a big attraction like that.
B&M is build a hyper coaster at Europa Park (Germany).
Its probably the expense. Nitro is 22 million and MF was 25 mil. So that shows you that B&M is not cheap. ----------------- Nitro: The Most Explosive Coaster on the Planet explodes at Six Flags Great Adventure in 2001.
I'm pretty sure MF was quoted at "around 25" but that's Intamin. Remember, B&M hypers are new and expensive, that's $15-20 million minimum. B&M inverts were a little cheaper (hey, they were new on the block AS B&M even though Walter and Claude had reps and experience, now they are the coaster KINGS and can charge more). Some may argue about their status, but look at how many B&M rides there are, and how many different types!
Also, having been around much longer than the hypers means more opportunities for parks to pick one up. Finally, cloned rides (like some B&M inverts, although they ARE themed uniquely and innovatively- LOL) save money, and any new ride is a NEW ride to the park (i.e., most guests don't know OR care the way we may if there's another clone in another park 1000 miles away).
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There is also more competition in the hyper market than there was/is in the invert market. For hypers you can get an Arrow, Morgan, Giovanola, Intamin, B&M and ogo has built hypers abroad. For inverts there are only B&M and Vekoma producing full circuit coasters in the U.S., while Gio and Intamin have built them abroad. Of course this doesn't take into consideration the Invertigos (Vekoma) and impulse coasters (Intamin). Who built Runaway Reptar at PKI? Maybe another company is entering the fray.
Also, as already pointed out, many parks already had hypers before B&M started building them (I have no idea how long ago a park could have bought one). Also Gio and Intamin are really popular with the hypers that they have built. Never haven ridden an Intamin or B&M, I've heard more raves about the S:ROS rides than any of the B&M's although they get their share of praise also.
*** This post was edited by Incidentalist on 8/30/2001. ***
Thanks bit0mike, I forgot about that one. But still, that came along a while after the invert craze had been going with only B&M and Vekoma as possible builders. I would love to see some more full circuit Intamin inverts, maybe PKI will build one some day.
I think the general age of the concept is why we see so few. There has been 1 opened each year since introduction though, which isn't bad. 1999-AC 2000-RB 2001-Nitro The cost difference between the hypers and the inverts (minus B:TR clones) isn't all that great. In fact if I remember correctly I believe at BGW Alpengeist was $20 million and AC was only $15 million. These prices do however exclude smaller parks from any B&M.
This is a very obvious DUH. The B&M inverted roller coaster design was introduced almost 10 years ago in 1992. B&M's Hyper "Speed" coasters didn't come along until just 2 years ago, in 1999 when Raging Bull and Apollo's Chariot opened. So DUH, that's why they're not as many or spreading as quickly. And like everybody else above stated, either most major parks that can afford a hyper coaster already have one at the point B&M introduced their version of the hyper coaster, and the smaller ones that don't, do not have a revenue that will support such a giant investment.
And one more thing. The title of this topic, "why soo few B&M hypers in the us". There ARE only 3 in the WORLD right now, and all three are in the USA. The 4th one, "Silver Star" or something of the like debuts next year in a European park. This one is said to be B&M's tallest yet, with a 249 FT high lift.
Most of my coaster info comes from coasterbuzz, rcdb.com (rollercoaster database), or manufacturer's websites (great resources, esp. in the case of CCIs). ACE newsletters and mags also have great info, although the web is obviously easier to use and more timely... ----------------- rollergator - intent on improving the "guest experience" - coming soon to a park near you