why soo few B&M hypers in the us

Wednesday, August 29, 2001 4:32 PM
their are only 3 B&M hypers in the us . why did they not spread as fast as inverteds
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Wednesday, August 29, 2001 4:42 PM
A big part of that is price.  B&M masterpieces don't come cheap, and not every park is going to invest a crap load of money when they can get a CCI or a B&M invert for cheap.  If you think about it,  most of the major parks already have hypers, so the smaller parks that don't have hypers aren't going to get one from B&M.  Time will tell. 
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Wednesday, August 29, 2001 4:45 PM
Well there may be 3 in the US but there are none until next season out of the country so I'm happy.
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Wednesday, August 29, 2001 4:46 PM
Three B&M hypers in USA:
Apollo's Chariot - Busch Gardens Williamsburg
Raging Bull - Six Flags Great America
Nitro - Six Flags Great Adventure

I really don't know why there aren't as many B&M hypers as their are B&M inverted coaster. Maybe since a park might already have a hyper, or a B&M coaster. Maybe since some parks don't have enough room to add one. Or that some parks can't afford a big attraction like that.

B&M is build a hyper coaster at Europa Park (Germany).

Click on the link for more info:
http://www.coaster-network.com/bm/bm/europa.htm

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Wednesday, August 29, 2001 5:29 PM
Its probably the expense. Nitro is 22 million and MF was 25 mil. So that shows you that B&M is not cheap.
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Wednesday, August 29, 2001 5:34 PM
how much is a B&M clone of batman now a days.
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Wednesday, August 29, 2001 6:59 PM
MF was 48 million, that is why everyone thought there was another coaster because of all the money spent.

Clone of Batman probably 10 million at least, it cost 5 when it first opened.

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Wednesday, August 29, 2001 7:15 PM
I'm pretty sure MF was quoted at "around 25" but that's Intamin.  Remember, B&M hypers are new and expensive, that's $15-20 million minimum.  B&M inverts were a little cheaper (hey, they were new on the block AS B&M even though Walter and Claude had reps and experience, now they are the coaster KINGS and can charge more).  Some may argue about their status, but look at how many B&M rides there are, and how many different types!

Also, having been around much longer than the hypers means more opportunities for parks to pick one up.  Finally, cloned rides (like some B&M inverts, although they ARE themed uniquely and innovatively- LOL) save money, and any new ride is a NEW ride to the park (i.e., most guests don't know OR care the way we may if there's another clone in another park 1000 miles away).

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Wednesday, August 29, 2001 7:18 PM
MF was not $48 million.  All of the changes to the park for that year were $48 million.  MF itself was only $25 million.

 

JRY

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Wednesday, August 29, 2001 8:16 PM

There is also more competition in the hyper market than there was/is in the invert market.  For hypers you can get an Arrow, Morgan, Giovanola, Intamin, B&M and ogo has built hypers abroad.  For inverts there are only B&M and Vekoma producing full circuit coasters in the U.S., while Gio and Intamin have built them abroad.  Of course this doesn't take into consideration the Invertigos (Vekoma) and impulse coasters (Intamin).  Who built Runaway Reptar at PKI?  Maybe another company is entering the fray.


Also, as already pointed out, many parks already had hypers before B&M started building them (I have no idea how long ago a park could have bought one).  Also Gio and Intamin are really popular with the hypers that they have built.  Never haven ridden an Intamin or B&M, I've heard more raves about the S:ROS rides than any of the B&M's although they get their share of praise also.

*** This post was edited by Incidentalist on 8/30/2001. ***

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Wednesday, August 29, 2001 8:33 PM
There's at least one full circuit Intamin invert in the US... Volcano
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Wednesday, August 29, 2001 8:36 PM
Incidentalist:

Runaway Reptar was built by Vekoma, so them and B&M are still the only full-circuit inverteds in the US.  I Hope that changes though, because I would love to ride an Intamin or Giovanola Inverted. 

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Wednesday, August 29, 2001 8:36 PM
Thanks bit0mike, I forgot about that one.  But still, that came along a while after the invert craze had been going with only B&M and Vekoma as possible builders.  I would love to see some more full circuit Intamin inverts, maybe PKI will build one some day.
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Wednesday, August 29, 2001 8:54 PM
I think the general age of the concept is why we see so few. There has been 1 opened each year since introduction though, which isn't bad.
1999-AC
2000-RB
2001-Nitro
The cost difference between the hypers and the inverts (minus B:TR clones) isn't all that great. In fact if I remember correctly I believe at BGW Alpengeist was $20 million and AC was only $15 million. These prices do however exclude smaller parks from any B&M.
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Wednesday, August 29, 2001 10:59 PM
This is a very obvious DUH. The B&M inverted roller coaster design was introduced almost 10 years ago in 1992. B&M's Hyper "Speed" coasters didn't come along until just 2 years ago, in 1999 when Raging Bull and Apollo's Chariot opened. So DUH, that's why they're not as many or spreading as quickly. And like everybody else above stated, either most major parks that can afford a hyper coaster already have one at the point B&M introduced their version of the hyper coaster, and the smaller ones that don't, do not have a revenue that will support such a giant investment.
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Wednesday, August 29, 2001 11:01 PM
And one more thing. The title of this topic, "why soo few B&M hypers in the us". There ARE only 3 in the WORLD right now, and all three are in the USA. The 4th one, "Silver Star" or something of the like debuts next year in a European park. This one is said to be B&M's tallest yet, with a 249 FT high lift.
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Wednesday, August 29, 2001 11:30 PM
Can anyone tell me a good place to go that tells how much certain individual coasters cost?  Just curious, I think that it is cool to find out how much some of the parks paid for their coasters.
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Wednesday, August 29, 2001 11:43 PM
Most of my coaster info comes from coasterbuzz, rcdb.com (rollercoaster database), or manufacturer's websites (great resources, esp. in the case of CCIs).  ACE newsletters and mags also have great info, although the web is obviously easier to use and more timely...
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Thursday, August 30, 2001 12:04 AM
Cool, thanks.
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Thursday, August 30, 2001 11:24 AM
I hearded the hyper at SFWoA will be a B&M
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