Monday, February 10, 2003 2:54 PM
Is it not too similar to RR? Why not an original Flyer? Otherwise my guess is they wanted something excellent & reliable after the past few years.

I'm not dissing the ride, it looks awesome so far, how come it doesn't have anymore inversions? It's MM for cryin' out loud! Surely they can afford it? I bring up this point as it looks like a mirror image of Medusa East to me & the park probably saved $1-2 million, more even, on development. Why would they need to save money? Therefore following this logic adding another inversion or more would cost another $5 million or so! Unless they just scale up the plans & add more. Although that wouldn't work as every part has to be drawn up.

Just saying MM could've had the biggest Floorless in the world & even the most inversions. They like to have the most extreme rides in the world. 11 or 12 although that would scare off & make people sick don't ya think?

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Monday, February 10, 2003 4:01 PM
I think they wanted a REALLY RELIABLE ride, that they know works fine. Medusa(s) are working perfectly fine and are pretty popular so why not just capitalise on it. I think after all those big original coasters (ok Deja Vu is a clone, but it was original) that they wanted something that would be proven to work. I think they know that their park goers will ride that considering the fact that what 7 inversions won't scare off alot of people especially since Riddler has that many.
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Monday, February 10, 2003 4:07 PM
Taipan, I hear you. About the reliability thing mentioned above....the B&M flyers have been very reliable after a few small, early glitches. (nothing compared to "other" flyers or GIBs)

I'm sure it will be a nice ride, but I was hoping for more... (trying not to be an enthusiass)

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Monday, February 10, 2003 4:53 PM
You keep asking "Why would they need to save money?". Exactly why should they waste more money? The GP, for the most part, will have no idea this is a mirror image of another SF coaster. If you were running a business I'm sure you'd love to cut your costs by just a few million. That won't even make a dent in the debt SF Parks has outstanding.

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Monday, February 10, 2003 5:52 PM
I think the only reason they are bringing in Scream is to compete with Cedar Point for the most coasters in one park. So a ride like Sream would be quick to build but is also a fun ride.

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Monday, February 10, 2003 6:20 PM
Whether its for records, price reduction, etc, etc. This is a B&M and its a floorless. It will please the masses. Isnt that what you want for your customers?

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Monday, February 10, 2003 6:51 PM
No, SFMM is bringing in Scream! to guarantee they keep the attendance numbers they've been receiving due to X and Deja Vu, and to remain competetive with Disneyland and KBF. SFMM couldn't care less about a park on the other side of the country.

-Nate

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Monday, February 10, 2003 8:24 PM

Chitown said:
Whether its for records, price reduction, etc, etc. This is a B&M and its a floorless. It will please the masses. Isnt that what you want for your customers?

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While I'm sure SFMM wants to stay in competition with CP for the "most coasters" title, I'd have to imagine that they're also looking for a new yet stable coaster to keep the GP coming in. Something that can push a good capacity.

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Monday, February 10, 2003 8:48 PM
Remember, to the GP, a floorless is something new. They're not thinking "hey, they already have two other types of B&M's and this is just a clone of Medusa." Six Flags can advertise a new coaster, the peeps will keep coming, everyone wins in their minds. Besides, with all the stress of X, they probably still have a headache. This is a ride they don't even have to think about.

Peabody: enthusiass?!? That's the CB term for 2003 IMHO. Even better than last year's "Coaster Tool." :)

~me

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Monday, February 10, 2003 10:56 PM
Coasterdude is correct. If you listen to the most recent conference call, is was stated that SFMM along with a few other parks, would receive a new attraction to keep attendance up. The decision to go with B&M was made because they could add quality coasters with proven layouts and save on the R&D. Have people already forgotten that Six Flags actually lost money last year?

SFMM didn't go with a flyer because they already have X. Scream is a "GP" ride, I thought we established that a while ago. And it's differrent enough from RR to provide a whole new experience for those who've never ridden a floorless. Scream does one other very important thing, it will spread out the crowds, which are pretty bunched up at the X area. This is all really just common sense.

Don't forget that just one year ago, people were complaining that CP was adding a "filler" impulse, rather than something more exciting. I don't think anyone's complaining anymore. Apply same logic here. ;)
*** This post was edited by DWeaver 2/11/2003 3:59:45 AM ***

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Monday, February 10, 2003 11:42 PM
DWeaver has a point in the fact that SFMM wants to spread out the crowd. Colussus has been getting low attendance and building a new B&M or any other coaster will attract crowds towards the Colussal County Fair area. Lately, people dont want to walk all the way down that ramp just for the old woody that has been overpowered by Goliath. But if a new ride is built by the entrance of Colussus, then crowds will get off Scream and go to Colussus, or just go on the woody if they cant stand the wait.

I would call X a pretty psyched out flyer in which is a giant eXperiement, hence the name "X." The only possibilty for the next future thrill would be a launched Flyer with a tophat like Xcelerator and Dragster, but with a more complex layout... That's what i'm hoping for. Maybe simulate a bird jumping off a cliff, diving straight down, then back up to do crazy circles and you can use your imagination for the rest of the track.

As far as Scream, it's easy and fast to build and why wouldnt you build it?... The GP really has no clue if it's a replica, and if they did know, what are the chances they'd really want to go to another park to ride Medusa. Just go to SFMM and get all the thrills at once.

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Tuesday, February 11, 2003 4:41 AM
'Why Scream?'

Why not?

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Tuesday, February 11, 2003 4:47 AM
I don't think the GP are as educated as buzzers about reliability, and even manufacturers. If a ride is unreliable, GP will be disappointed with the park, not the manufacturer. MM need to repair their damaged reputation by getting Flashback & X up & running to capacity, and having a new ride, working, with as little downtime as possible, early in the season.

Personally, I think Scream was a good choice for the park this year. GP aint gonna know that its a cloned ride, or care. Although I agree its unusual and slightly disappointing for MM not to go for the tallest , fastest everything!

Any new ride will always attract local media coverage, a huge new ride will attract national & sometimes international press coverage. (I'm talking GP press here to!) Knowing that CP will get the intl. attention this year, there would be little point competing for the coverage. Obviously CP's investment budget will be tighter next year , whereas MM have spent their investment more wisely this year, (sorting problems with other coasters and going for a reliable new one). We've done enough whinging about 6 Flags maintenance on Coasterbuzz, this is definately a step in the right direction!!No?

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Tuesday, February 11, 2003 4:48 AM

Hello kiddies, i know some of you are in school :)

anyways i thnik scream being built is a good idea, even though it is a clone, it isnt the first clone is it?
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Tuesday, February 11, 2003 5:23 AM

ColossusHennesay said:

Hello kiddies, i know some of you are in school :)

anyways i thnik


Shouldn't you be in school too? ;)

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Tuesday, February 11, 2003 5:30 AM
Shouldn't you be at "work"? ;) I mean, it's one thing to be at your workplace, and another to be *at work*.

Dawn, occassionally guilty herself.

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Tuesday, February 11, 2003 5:34 AM
Right on, Dawn! If I posted as much as some people here did while at work I'd be in big trouble!

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Tuesday, February 11, 2003 7:19 AM

nope not actually, dont worry where i should be, i just said i know most people are in school.
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Tuesday, February 11, 2003 7:35 AM
But what if I'm working on lunch? Is it work or is it lunch? And what would make lunch so much work?

-'Playa

(who passed up Pho day for Subway--danged snow!)

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Tuesday, February 11, 2003 7:48 AM
Well to add to everyone's comments, this is the first floorless in Southern California. If the wait is anything like the wait for Medusa at SFMW, then that'd be great, but this is SFMM there'll probably be a much longer wait than Medusa's at SFMW.
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