Why no B&M's with multiple inline rolls?

Wednesday, September 18, 2002 2:33 PM
I think this is the most fun coaster element, and B&M has perfected it. Seems to me any B&M, floorless, inverted, etc. with more than one zero-g roll would be an instant legend.
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Wednesday, September 18, 2002 2:46 PM

Questions like this can be anwsered using a very simple equation:

Company X has not built a coaster with Y because no park has asked for one.

Just fill in the variables and there you go. This post was not meant to mean in anyway.

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Wednesday, September 18, 2002 3:02 PM
I don't think it is as simple as that. B&M just doesn't put two inversions of the same kind in a row right after each other on any coaster!
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Wednesday, September 18, 2002 3:08 PM
Interlocking corkscrews are two corkscrews after one another.

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Wednesday, September 18, 2002 3:11 PM

Matthew - the fact that B&M hasn't done that up until now in no way reflects on their method of designing. Fact of the matter is that Drew is correct: if a park wants it that way, they'll get it that way.

Matthew

edit: Big Kirby - good point.

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Wednesday, September 18, 2002 3:12 PM
Don't get me wrong, every B&M is alot of fun and all that... But! The layouts are getting 'boring'. The same old vertical loop-dive loop, whatever and then the locking corkscrews is just getting boring. The ZERO-G roll is awesome and I've always wondered why there aren't more on those coasters. It seems that Busch Gardens and the 'Wardley' B&M's are the only ones with real personality.
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Wednesday, September 18, 2002 3:23 PM
Because.

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Wednesday, September 18, 2002 3:42 PM
If you mean zero g rolls, I agree, they are amazing. Toss one into after the carousel helix on Hulk and you have a real winner (not just a very good coaster). However, B&M has produced multiple elements in a row... see the dive loops on Riddler. On a ride like Superman at WBMW, it almost looks like a second zero g roll could go where the airtime hill is.
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Wednesday, September 18, 2002 4:57 PM
That is what I was thinking, Medusa or Superman Madrid would be awesome, zero-g - boomerang(cobra roll)- zero-g.
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Wednesday, September 18, 2002 5:01 PM
I suspect that the dynamics of a B&M Zero G roll makes it impossible to put 2 of them too close together. You pretty much have to have a dip in between. However, this certainly wouldn't prevent having more than one on a ride. I agree that B&M zero G's are terrific. The Zero G on Medusa east is my favorite inversion on any coaster.
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Wednesday, September 18, 2002 7:21 PM

Let's look at this from a different point of view...the designer's. Any good designer doesnt just do what the client wants them to do, verbatim. It's their job to translate the clients desires into a workable scheme, that may or may not match every single wish of the client. When something doesn't coincide with what the client wanted, it's up to the designer to convince the client why their own way is better. Basically, whether it be a park getting a new coaster, or a family getting a new house, the person who has the most exerpertise (the designer) makes the ultamite decisions...the client isn't always right.

As far as B&M is concerned, it's possible that parks have requested multiple Zero-G rolls or something, but B&M has a very good reason not to do it. Unfortuneatly, we'll never know, but being in the design industry (architecture) it often happens this way.

-Seth

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Thursday, September 19, 2002 5:43 AM
Correct me if I'm wrong.... Talon at Dorney Park is a B&M inverted with two zero-g rolls - one right after the first loop, and another right before the final helix.


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Thursday, September 19, 2002 5:52 AM

That's more of a corkscrew than a roll. See RideZone.

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Thursday, September 19, 2002 10:44 AM
I think B:DK's Zero-G is much more intense than Medusa East's. Just my opinion though. You take B:DK's much faster which is better. But very slow could also be good cuz you would get hangtime. Either way...

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Thursday, September 19, 2002 10:52 AM

I think that putting two zero g rolls in line would be prohibitive if only because of the length. . . it'd work great for a long slender coaster, but most B&Ms don't fit that description.

Still, add me to camp that would love to see it happen. I could ride Medusa east all day because of the floating you get in that roll.

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Friday, September 20, 2002 6:08 AM

Jeff said:
"That's more of a corkscrew than a roll. See RideZone.

I never really thought of it as a corkscrew.... I suppose it's just splitting hairs though.

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*** This post was edited by TiggerMan on 9/20/2002. ***

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