Why doesn't SF hire B&M for new X trains?

Matthayman said:
Arrow has the patent on how the seats move not the concept itself.

Do you know what patent number they have? Or anyone else; i can't find it on uspto.com

thanks in advance!

As of 10-20-02 I made my 6th run on X, this time last row, left inside, 1st train. It felt fine, I actually felt that it was a little bit smoother than when it opened. The ride ops had the trains loading in a minute and a half to 3 minutes (this is from the loading platform, opening gates, to dispatch). Now, I don't understand why everyone is complaining. I had a great ride and so did everyone else that went on the thing. Maybe it's me, but I kind of feel like a few people want to see the 4D concept fall through, because right now it's running problem free (well except for opening 30 minutes late for all the electrical checking, block checking, etc.)

Jeff, the only thing that I've found wrong with the trains is that they're kinda dirty and I guess if you have a group of four, you really can't ride on one row. Yes, I do believe this is justifiable reason to tear down a great ride.

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Mamoosh said:

FYI, X's third train is ready to roll. No word on when it will actually begin making the rounds as it valleyed on its first run recently.
Might be me (usually is), but if the third train valleyed on its test, then it's not "ready to roll" is it?
On a side note: Why do coasters VALLEY when they're located at Magic MOUNTAIN....seems ironic to me...;)

If there is nothing wrong with them now, why would there be in the future?

Many coaster trains have been running 10-15 years with little rehab(not referring to off season normal maintanence). If there is nothing wrong now, how can you predict there will be in the future?

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It's an experimental coaster. That's how I know, but I may be wrong. They may last 20 or 30 years, but I doubt it. Since SFMM is open all year there is definately going to be more wear and tear on X than normal, unless they close it down over the winter.

Stitch said:
Jeffs right. Do you guys ever stop complaining. At least you guys have a 4d coaster. The trains aren'y that bad, get over it.
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Actually I wish I had a 4D coaster but since I live in New Jersey its a pretty far distance. Just because I started the post doesn't mean I live near there.

*** This post was edited by medusafanatic on 10/21/2002. ***

There will be no more wear and tear on "X" than there is on any of their other coasters...which have operated year round for years. That's another reason for having multiple or spare trains. Aside from the capacity (usually most important) if a train needs repair, they can simply remove it and use the others in the meantime.

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I really doubt that Premeir was going to get rid of the rails (not the X rails) and put in new ones. That seems a little extreme.

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I also don't think SFMM would be building a roof over the transfer track and trying to get the 3rd train up and running if there were any plans on tearing X down. The only reason SFMM is getting another coaster is to up the count and make more money simple as that. The only reason the train vallied is b/c it's a new train and the wheels need to be fine tuned to run on that beast, Deja Vu is fixed and Ninja could never run in temps below 50 i believe, due to the type of lube that they use on suspened trains.

Also if Premier wanted to do all that heck they might as well built an entirely new coaster. Anyways I have heard that Arrow is working on their own fix for their coaster, It was said that there will be a major change in the weight and width of the trains. Since that is the problem with X the trains are to massive for there own good, look for X to hopefully soon have some completly re-designed lighter smaller train. That's if SF inc. is willing to pay for them b/c Arrow will charge them for the trains especially since SF inc.tried to take them down.

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*** This post was edited by rob4420 on 10/22/2002. ***

Matt said:

If there is nothing wrong with them now, why would there be in the future?
Many coaster trains have been running 10-15 years with little rehab(not referring to off season normal maintanence). If there is nothing wrong now, how can you predict there will be in the future?
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Waiting for the CP announcement to be made so that about 1000+ posts will be made complaining about it.

Based on the Arrow coasters I have ridden, the company has a history of having cars that become very rough after a few years. As cool and as groundbreaking as it was, Magnum was rather rough when I rode it 5 times in 2 days (I kept giving it chances to see if it lived up to the hype). As I stated before, roughness because of the car design was a big factor in DF's demise. Lochness Monster is rough, as is BBW. Therefore, I can see why people would start to think the same about X's cars.

And by "rough" you mean "actually felt like being on a roller coaster" instead of "hot damn, this arm chair is upside down now, when did that happen *coughB&Mcough*

Of the people who are claiming that X will be town down and is rough and ripped the face off the powertower girl again, have you ridden it? Didn't think so.

Everyone's just jealous about how X rules and they don't. I mean I'm jealous that I don't like in Boston and get to ride a sweet S: ROS. *Drools*. So yeah get over it. Seems fine to me. I say Go X Boo Everybody Else. Sorry for wasting your time.

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Vipper said:
Based on the Arrow coasters I have ridden, the company has a history of having cars that become very rough after a few years. As cool and as groundbreaking as it was, Magnum was rather rough when I rode it 5 times in 2 days (I kept giving it chances to see if it lived up to the hype). As I stated before, roughness because of the car design was a big factor in DF's demise. Lochness Monster is rough, as is BBW. Therefore, I can see why people would start to think the same about X's cars.

Most Arrow coasters are rough because of the transitions. This has been discussed many, many times. While the trains may play a small park in the roughness of the ride, the transitions are what make your head smack into the restraints. Not only does B&M have good trains, but they have awesome transitions as well. That's why they are so smooth.

rob4420 said:

I also don't think SFMM would be building a roof over the transfer track and trying to get the 3rd train up and running if there were any plans on tearing X down. The only reason SFMM is getting another coaster is to up the count and make more money simple as that. The only reason the train vallied is b/c it's a new train and the wheels need to be fine tuned to run on that beast, Deja Vu is fixed and Ninja could never run in temps below 50 i believe, due to the type of lube that they use on suspened trains. Also if Premier wanted to do all that heck they might as well built an entirely new coaster. Anyways I have heard that Arrow is working on their own fix for their coaster, It was said that there will be a major change in the weight and width of the trains. Since that is the problem with X the trains are to massive for there own good, look for X to hopefully soon have some completly re-designed lighter smaller train. That's if SF inc. is willing to pay for them b/c Arrow will charge them for the trains especially since SF inc.tried to take them down. _____________________________________________

While Arrow may be ( Stress on "may be" ) re-designing the trains for X, I don't think that they will be much different from the first trains. Like all other coasters, physics conrtols what the ride can do. If new trains were to be put on X, and they were literally tons lighter than the first trains, the new ones may not be able to complete the circuit. The new trains should be able to be slightly lighter than the original ones, but not by some huge margin.

*** This post was edited by CoasterKrazy on 10/23/2002. ***

Nessie rough!?! I've heard it all now.......

What's all this talk about X being rough? I was there on Oct. 13th and it's just as smooth as it was last March. Viper is rough. Revolution is rough. Psyclone is...well Psyclone is a chiropractor's wet dream. Maybe it has to do with the restraints. Normally I love to leave my lapbar or OTSR loose for airtime and comfort. If you do that with X- with the seats turning and the coaster flipping- you're gonna get knocked around. So, if you pull the "vest" tight and downwards and are snug in the seat, the ride is very smooth.

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Vipper said:
As I stated before, roughness because of the car design was a big factor in DF's demise. Lochness Monster is rough, as is BBW. Therefore, I can see why people would start to think the same about X's cars."

LNM and BBW are far from rough. They are some of the smoothest Arrows ever built, and some of the smoother rides I rode that were built pre-1990.

IMO, a smooth Arrow is Gemini at Cedar Point. Trailblazer at Hershey is another smooth Arrow. But, that is just my opinion, as was my previous statement. You have your opinion and I have mine.