Why does SFEG and SFKK get neglected?

Thursday, May 31, 2001 8:31 PM
I work at SF kentucky Kingdom and we havent got anything major since 1998 and Elitch gardens is just as bad. Dont we deserve a V2 or Deja VU???
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Thursday, May 31, 2001 8:51 PM
YOU DESERVE MORE! LOL so does SFAW but at least its not as bad as SFEG and SFKK!
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Thursday, May 31, 2001 9:26 PM
They probably don't consider either market to be a major player, i.e. worthy of more investment. This is why I'm glad to live in the DC market where we get something new at SFA every year and it usually is major. I do sympathize with you however.
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Thursday, May 31, 2001 10:55 PM
I've been asking this question under my breath for 2 years now. I can't figure it out. I know that SFKK has gotten some pretty "innovative" rides for their time, (hellevator,chang,T2)so maybe next year the kingdom will score a major victory with a clone of X or maybe X-flight.
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God please let SFKK get something this year. ANYTHING!!
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Thursday, May 31, 2001 11:00 PM
Maybe there trying to conserve room for the future or something???
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Friday, June 1, 2001 5:04 AM
It all depends on how many peeps walk through the gate every year. While Six Flags seems to make capital expenditures in huge rounds at select parks, you still have to consider what financial impact a new ride will have on that particular park. If increases in attendance and in-park spending are negligible, why bother?

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Jeff
Webmaster/Admin - CoasterBuzz.com
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Friday, June 1, 2001 5:21 AM
In addition to having less attendance than many other SF parks, SFKK and SFEG are also in smaller market areas. Plus both parks have no real area for expansion so if you get a new attraction, you will probably lose an existing one.

Fortunately, Denver also has a little gem called Lakeside in addition to SFEG and Louisville residents can easily drive to HW and PKI as a day trip. AS Jeff said, it's all a matter of dollars - the parks with higher attendance WILL get the most attention.

Mike
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Friday, June 1, 2001 6:08 AM
SFKK does NOT have a space problem. (TM) Trust me on this one. And really, if you look at it, SFKK has not been that bad off.

2001 - Sky coaster
2000 - Wild Mouse coaster
1999 - Blizzard River (which is a highly underrated water ride)
1998 - Twisted Sisters

If you look at it overall, SFKK, IMO, has done some pretty good investments in their new additions.
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Friday, June 1, 2001 6:58 AM
Yes we are, we havent even gotten a major coaster in 3 years. If you have to pay for some it souldnt really even count as a real ride. A wild mouse thats not a real coaster its about 1.5 and goes arounf sharp curves wow?? Blizzard river is terrible it wasent even built correctly and the only thing that gets wet are your shoes, to wait over 5min then you really have no life. Twisted sisters really suck, in your trying to comment suicide then this ride is perfect, all the bangin'. SFKK doesnt have that much room, there are still houses scattered in the back which kinda makes it hard to build around!!

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Sixflags+no money+airport=Sixflags Kentucky kingdom
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Friday, June 1, 2001 7:05 AM
Hmmm, this makes you wonder, before the takeover, they had the funds to build Chang & TS. Now what? Say, as KK, who were the owners?

Back then I remember reading a rumour on Thrillride for KK, pasted below is my post from the XLC + LIM thread;

There is an old rumor that Kentucky Kingdom had plans for Premier dueling/racing coasters called 'Blinding Dark.' One side has black track & white cars & vice versa for the other. Part of both sides are indoors or all of it, can't remember.

Now, one side is a full-circuit coaster with 8 inversions & a traditional lifthill (Can't recall if it has LIMs as well). The other is a 4 inversion LIM Launched Shuttle coaster with extra LIMs somewhere along it. That's 16 inversions altogether!

This plan got shelved in the takeover by SF. Who knows, it may happen one day. Perhaps that's why the park hasn't gotten anything new recently as they could be working on this project.


*** This post was edited by Taipan on 6/1/2001. ***
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Friday, June 1, 2001 7:07 AM
I have pretty much stopped going to SFKK because they don't operate their rides to the fullest capacity, the place is a dump in that no one takes care of the place, and there really hasn't been anything major since twisted sister. Twisted sister was put up before the park was taken over by six flags and turned into a six flags park.
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Friday, June 1, 2001 7:16 AM
Maybe those 2 parks mentioned above are 2 of the however many parks that Six Flags plan to sell as part of the rumored restructuring. Of course they aren't going to make any major investment when they want to sell it. They probably did enough work to resell it at a profit and then divert that profit to one of their higher profile parks like MM, Gr8 adv, or WOA
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Friday, June 1, 2001 7:49 AM

Robbe said:
"Yes we are, we havent even gotten a major coaster in 3 years. If you have to pay for some it souldnt really even count as a real ride. A wild mouse thats not a real coaster its about 1.5 and goes arounf sharp curves wow?? Blizzard river is terrible it wasent even built correctly and the only thing that gets wet are your shoes, to wait over 5min then you really have no life. Twisted sisters really suck, in your trying to comment suicide then this ride is perfect, all the bangin'. SFKK doesnt have that much room, there are still houses scattered in the back which kinda makes it hard to build around!!

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Sixflags+no money+airport=Sixflags Kentucky kingdom"



1. 3 years without a major coaster is a hardly a long time. Cedar Point just went through 97, 98, and 99 without a major coaster addition. Its nothing unusual.

2. A skycoaster is a ride, like it or not. If you think about it, don't guests pay for all the rides at SFKK anyway? Or do most get in free, somehow? Or do most sneak in?

3. Please elaborate on Blizzard River not being built correctly. I, personally, have no idea what you are talking about. Also, i rode Blizzard River just this monday, and the entire boat was soaked. Every person. Sorry.

4. Twisted Sisters is a great ride, in my opinion. I'm sorry it bangs you around so much. Perhaps you are referring to the wild lateral g's? In most people's book, lateral g's are a good thing on a coaster, not a bad thing. I'm sorry we have a differing opinion on this, but I am happy that since you don't like Twisted Sisters, the line will be that much shorter for me.

5. SFKK has plenty of room. They own the parking lot to the south of chang's lift, and they own much of the land behind blizzard river. Actually, quite a bit of it. Many of those houses you are reffering to are actually owned by Six Flags. Also, take a hint from Kennywood, Blackpool, and Hershey. As all of those parks have proven, great coaster designers can build rides just about anywhere. (See Phantom's Revenge/Steel Phantom, Great Bear, and virtually any ride at Blackpool.)

6. There is more to a park then just hard core thrill rides. Parks have to concentrate on providing entertainment for a wide variety of tastes. Roadrunner's Express is a family coaster, and a fine one at that. It is popular with the crowds, and was an excellent investment for SFKK. I'm sure if it were up to you, SFKK would be building huge coasters ever year, but that wouldn't be the smartest thing for the park to do, finacially.

7. Please, before you push the "submit reply" button, double check what you just wrote. You are leaving sentance fragments and things that just plain don't make sense all over your posts. You may have some valid arguments to make, but until you present them within the confines of acceptable English, no one is going to take you seriously.

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Friday, June 1, 2001 7:52 AM
Taipan: The previous owners of KK were in serious finacial debt after they built Chang. Chang was an investment that was much too costly for the park to pull off, and the whole project was extremely unwise. Just look at how out of place Chang is with respect to the rest of the park.

The owners were in a ton of debt, so they sold to Premier (now six flags).

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Friday, June 1, 2001 8:57 AM

Chang may have be the nail in the coffin for the previous owners, but it sure does a lot for the park !!! It's a shame SF isn't doing more with it. A couple more like Chang and it really could be great.

It seemed that the past owners were really trying. I'm not positive, but it looks to me that they were adding a major thrill ride ever other year. T2, Hellavator, Chang... SF has the money that the old owners didn't. There really is no excuse not to try and turn the park around. If they added some new cutting edge attractions, I'm sure they could make a small dent in PKI - or at least get some of the PKI usuals to visit KK in addition. Like someone said elsewhere, you have to spend money to make money.

They have Louisville, Lexington, Indianapolis, Bowling Green, Cinci & maybe even St. Louis to draw from. If you build it, they will come... ;)

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Friday, June 1, 2001 9:44 AM
SFKK won’t make any dents to PKI or any other park until they improve their operations. KK is the worst run park I have ever been to. The park was dirty and lines were long (on a Tuesday afternoon with very low attendance) The ride ops just didn’t seem to care, and I don’t think management did either. I actually saw two of the ops on Thunder Run arguing about something, then all three of them just left the platform.

It really is a shame, SFKK has some really nice rides and could be a good park. Even if they were to get some new, one-of-a-kind rides, people will go once, but they won’t come back with such bad service.
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Friday, June 1, 2001 2:11 PM
I live in FAR western Kentucky, and everyone I know LOVES KK. They like it much more that SFStL. And just becasue they havent added a huge coaster doesn't mean that they havent made improvements. I went to the park a couple weeks ago for the first time in 2 years, and I was very impressed with how much more beautiful the park is. There are flowers everywhere and the litter problem is almost non-existent.

Roadrunner is a great improvement to the park. They needed another family ride and this fit in perfectly. Also, a skycoaster will be a much welcome attraction to this park.

Twisted Sisters is a great ride. The GP is very impressed with this ride because its not too intense, but its still very thrilling.

This park is very good and people need to respect it more. They have TONS of room to expand. So do NOT put this park on the same level as SFEG. Before you bash this park, VISIT it with an OPEN mind not polluted by other peoples opinions.

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IS THERE A BETTER PARK THAN HOLIDAY WORLD??

I THINK NOT!!!!!
-------ADAM (KY COASTER FREAK)
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Friday, June 1, 2001 7:13 PM
Trust me on this on, Chang did not nail any coffin for Ed Hart's group. He is one hell of an operator in my opinion. My park didn't get a new coaster this year, but I am smart enough not to bad mouth where I work. Every ride and addition, whether it be capital, concession, or attraction focused, is important down the long road. KK is a consistantly revenue producing park that knows its place in the industry. SF will never put that park in an arms race with PKI, as some of you seem to want. That is the park for Louisville, and 3 hours each way, and that is it. Period.
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Friday, June 1, 2001 7:15 PM
Everyone can just email me with these technical questions. Agent Johnson has a slow weekend in his park this weekend.
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Friday, June 1, 2001 7:45 PM
Well said, Mr. Johnson. SFKK has gone through one of the most massive park expansions in history. Something you people need to understand: when Twisted Sisters was built, the only other park that had built as many coasters in the 90's was SFMM. think about that one for a second.

This parks has been built from virtually nothing in 10 years. Really, it is still one of the youngest major parks in the world, and i still think it is suffering from some growing pains. I know the park is lacking in many, many ways, but lets give it some time.



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