Why does Kennywood not make its self into a bigger

Saturday, January 27, 2001 9:39 AM
If someone would buy out kennywood or a lot of small parks like kennywood they could gain a monopoly on franchises. So because kennywood is a classical chain why don't they buy out all the other smaller classic parks. And maybe kennywood doesn't have the money but I am sure Cedar Fairs or Six Flags do.
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Saturday, January 27, 2001 10:00 AM
Kennywood owns Lake Compounce, a small traditional amusement park in Bristol, CT. They were responsible for buiding Boulder Dash which is an awesome woodie. The park seems to be run using the Kennywood formula of keeping in touch with the past, keeping the park beautiful, and family friendly.

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Saturday, January 27, 2001 10:21 AM
Don't forget Idlewild just outside Pittsburgh, they are owned by Kennywood as well.

Some smaller parks are doing good on their own such as Knoebels and Holiday World.

Every year I hear the rumor that Knoebels has been bought by either Cedar Fair, Six Flags or Hersheypark. On their website Knoebels states they weren't bought out and will never sell.
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Saturday, January 27, 2001 10:27 AM
They also own Sandcastle, which is a water park outside of Pittsburgh.

And to the original poster, were you saying that Six Flags should buy Kennywood? Ack. What's wrong with Kennywood as it is? Other than a few miniscule things here and there, I've never heard anybody complain about it. Sure, it's not perfect, but it's definitely doing great on its own.

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Saturday, January 27, 2001 10:51 AM

coasterpunk said:
Some smaller parks are doing good on their own such as Knoebels and Holiday World.


Don't forget Indiana Beach! They are adding their fourth roller coaster to the park, CornBall Express. Indiana Beach now has the most coasters in Indiana. I'm just hoping their next choice for a coaster will be something along the lines of a (super) invertigo or maybe an Impulse ;)

They have in the newer area of the park (by Double Shot and the Big Flush).
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Saturday, January 27, 2001 10:52 AM
I have to agree. I like my own Six Flags park, but I really would hate to see Six Flags take over the world. Just one reason is that I can virtually guarantee that the closer they get to a monopoly, the higher thier prices will soar, and the lower thier quality will plummet.

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Saturday, January 27, 2001 1:34 PM
Kennywood was in negotiations at one time, but that family has decided that they are in it for the fun, not the money. And Six Flags Kennywood would not be as well received as it is now. When Six Flags was denied the prized historical chain, it started a run of slap in the face denials that included Adventureland in Iowa, Lakemont in Altoona,PA, Knoebels in PA, Lagoon in Utah. Kennywood led a rallying cry that caused Morey's Piers to add nearly 25 rides in the past 3 years and Hersheypark 15 rides in the same time.

Before some of you get bent out of shape over this anti Six Flags sentiments, money does not buy everything. Families are in this for jobs, fun, and this is what they do until they die. Add that to a growing group of managers who will not work for then, we(they) do not wish to become a number on the paystub.

Credit is here, that Premier took over some parks that needed help, like Elitch Gardens, Geauga Lake, and others who had overextended them selves. But Kennywood is one park that has full family support, cash reserves, and the ability to work with budgets that keep the family content enough for the next season.

Little be known, Kennywood helps many independent parks keep action going, by selling used rides at below market values, advising on gate admissions, and doing what they do best: group sales. How many other parks have community picnic days. Can you see any Six Flags hosting 10,000 people in one afternoon, who will not be buying nay of that **** food they sell? To most of us, and most of you, that park means quality. Six Flags has a long way to go to get that reputation.

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Saturday, January 27, 2001 2:02 PM
Kenntwood is perfect the way it is!!!!!If they would do what Geaugalake did I would quit going there.
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Saturday, January 27, 2001 6:39 PM
Kennywood is a great park and is doing just fine. I was quite impressed when I was there last year. The grounds are well maintained and the food was actually edible and reasonably priced. The beautiful gardens and paths with trees lead you at a nice relaxed pace through the park.
If they were to become a victim of one of the chains it would be a terrible shame. You know the first things to go would be the classic rides (like the Kangaroo, Turtle) to make room for the usual rides that every park in that chain also has.
Kennywood is unquestionably the best traditional amusement park left.
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Saturday, January 27, 2001 8:49 PM
AMEN My Brothers. Do I hear another? AMEN.
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Sunday, January 28, 2001 5:38 AM
I would have to agree with yall. If six flags bought over kennywood all they would do is take out all of there classic woodies and put crap in like batman the ride. And dont deny it like yall always do defending six flags cause you know im right.

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Sunday, January 28, 2001 8:45 AM
I've never been to kennywood, but I understand how a big nation wide chain means nothing unless they offer just as good customer service as the smaller ones. From what I've heard about kennywood they should never sell to SF. other major chains will only cause competition for Six flags and hopefully make them lower their prices. that never hurts. :)

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Sunday, January 28, 2001 9:08 AM

satanicsanta said:
"I would have to agree with yall. If six flags bought over kennywood all they would do is take out all of there classic woodies and put crap in like batman the ride. And dont deny it like yall always do defending six flags cause you know im right.

Name all of the wood coaster's six flag's has taken out of there park's, you seem to think you know six flags.
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Sunday, January 28, 2001 9:22 AM
satanitsanta says:

If six flags bought over kennywood all they would do is take out all of there classic woodies and put crap in like batman the ride. And dont deny it like yall always do defending six flags cause you know im right.


Well, you had me curious on this one so I did a little research and what I found doesnt support your statement.
1. SFNE, Thunderbolt(1941) , Still operational
2. SFO, Big Dipper(1926), Still operational

Those were the only SF parks where I found wooden coasters that date back before 1950. I also couldnt find one wooden coaster that was removed at any of their parks. They seem to remove steel coasters.



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Sunday, January 28, 2001 9:28 AM
Thank you chi-town.

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Sunday, January 28, 2001 10:00 AM
Well, maybe Six Flags hasn't removed any woodies yet, but it will happen. They sure make a great effort to take the spirit out of some parks. I just have a hard time(I am not the only one in the industry with this opinion) to consider Geauga Lake, which held that name from 1888 until about 1998, now calling it SF Ohio. Same with Riverside. SF New England? Sounds like a bad pilgrimage at best. Darien Lake and Kentucky Kingdom works, as they were newer parks, just Ohio sounds so "hey look ay me, I grew up. Come for my name, you will learn to like me.". I just thought this was going to be a regional park chain, with group buying to save money, ride rotations, and a great season pass program.

If those older parks would have not brought older coasters and attractions into the mix of things today, everyone would have ridden a Arrow Giant Looper, a B&M Batman, a Boomerang, a Vekoma SLC, and if you are lucky, a decent CCI. Really, how many times can you hear that crazy batman theme music in the station, while reading the same graffiti year in and year out.

Maybe I demand a bit more for my $40, and a $13 parking fee. Nah, I wish I was, wait, aren't we off the subject a little. Chitown, maybe we should just have a forum about the pros and cons of all of this. *** This post was edited by Agent Johnson on 1/28/2001. ***
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Sunday, January 28, 2001 10:10 AM

Agent johnson you and a few other's seem to be complaining about parks that made more money with the SF logo than they ever did before they became six flags. As for my $40 on my season pass to SFDL
gets me around 100 coasters granted alot are clones but alot of them are not.
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Sunday, January 28, 2001 10:25 AM
I'm not complaining. My SF pass will take me to SFMM, SFMW, SFOT, SFFT, SFA and SFNE. Riding some of the best steel coasters in the world. If I want great wood, I'll just pop on down to Knott's or head up to Silverwood. Instead of complaining about stuff I can't change, I enjoy it all ;)

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Sunday, January 28, 2001 6:21 PM

supermandl said:
"Agent johnson you and a few other's seem to be complaining about parks that made more money with the SF logo than they ever did before they became six flags..."
There's a difference between making money and keeping it. The name change had nothing to do with increased attendance, it was all about the new rides.

As I've mentioned before, the locals don't understand how something so far northeast is "Six Flags Ohio," and why they would change the name that everyone knew. Geauga Lake, for better or worse, is Northeast Ohio tradition. I wouldn't be surprised if Riverside was the same.

Perhaps the bigger point here, in relation to the original topic, is that Six Flags is a charm killer. Obliterate a hundred years of history, slap some Looney Toons and comic characters on rides, and you've got yourself another cheeseball corporate mess.

I don't mind the Six Flags name, but I would have liked it better if they matched it to the Funtime sister park and called it Six Flags Geauga Lake.

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Sunday, January 28, 2001 6:46 PM
Do I have a Amen? Amen......Geauga Lake, R.I.P. We will always remember you.
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