Whats with the Arrow Coasters?

Has anyone else noticed that the Arrow coasters on RCT2 didn't get as many improvements as the other coasters? For example:

-The suspended coasters still don't have banked turns.

-The corkscrew coasters can't have banked hills, or parabolic hills, and but the B&M's can.

-The hyper coasters can have parabolic hills, but not banked hills, while the B&M and Intamin hypers have both.

-The main train coasters can't have banked hills either.

-The multi-dimension coasters can hardly do anything at all. No twisting drops, no banked hills, and no parabolic hills.

-And the Vekoma flyer can't have banked hills either.

I have found this to be extremely annoying. I can build a great, compact B&M coaster, but I can't build an Arrow without it being too intense. I hope that if an expansion pack comes out in the future, it will have these capabilities.

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I agree with what Chris did for everything you said about the regular corkscrew coaster, it is supposed to be a little rougher and not as smooth as the Intamin's or B&M's. Everything else I agree with you and wonder why they didn't include that stuff.

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Yes, this was a big letdown for me... it makes me not build as many "other" types of coasters (such as Arrow types) because you can't do as much.

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I'm just happy with the banked turns that are in there now. I never made regular wooden coasters in RCT until now. The steel looping coaster is another example. The most they were ever really good for were shuttle loops before, but now they have so many more possibilities, like you can see here: http://games.coasterbuzz.com/filedetail.aspx?GameFileID=362

A banked incline on a hypercoaster would really help for recreations, but remember, the game is still new. How long was it before Corkscrew Follies came out?

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I take the opposite viewpoint. Instead of disappointment, I applaud Sawyer for keeping realism in the type of Arrow pieces available. You might want to build some banked drops, but it's not like Arrow factored a whole bunch of banked drops into their rides, and those that did, had minimal banking.

The only basis to create pieces for the 4-D is X, and everything that is found on X, is possible in RCT2.

I think that Sawyer took a lot of time upgrading the types of pieces for rides, and was very selective in what he added. What I'm hoping for is that there will be banked inclines/declines on diagonals as well as parabolic hills that are enabled in an expansion pack, because the features are there, but it seems that the game just doesn't recognize them.

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*** This post was edited by CPgenius on 11/9/2002. ***

CPgenius said:
"I take the opposite viewpoint. Instead of disappointment, I applaud Sawyer for keeping realism in the type of Arrow pieces available. You might want to build some banked drops, but it's not like Arrow factored a whole bunch of banked drops into their rides, and those that did, had minimal banking. "

First drop Shock Wave SFGAm
First drop Viper SFMM
First drop GASM SFGAdv

I know there are more but I'm to tired to think of any.

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Yeah, I know...that's why I said minimal banking. Those rides' drops don't bank to the extent that is shown on the B&M and Giga coasters in the game. Magnum's 2nd drop banks a little, but then again, it's not very noticeable of a bank. The non-banked turning drops do the job just fine.

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I'll add:

First drop on Steel Phantom/Phantom's Revenge, Second Drop on Magnum XL-200, first Drop on Drachen Fire (after finishing corscrew), First drop on the Pepsi Max Big One.

Are you seeing a trend, here? While banked drops aren't necessary to accurately represent the smaller, "Corcscrew" style Arrows, they are when you start getting big. This is the first I've heard of this limitation for RCT2, and I must say that it's one of the few things I've heard that actually make me somewhat mad.

My Steel Force recreation is pretty close except for the 540 helix turn-around. It looks tiny compared to the rest of the ride. Large banked inclines would have helped.

I will say again that I am happy that there are some banked inclines. They have become one of my favorite elements to work with.

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CPgenius said:
"Yeah, I know...that's why I said minimal banking. Those rides' drops don't bank to the extent that is shown on the B&M and Giga coasters in the game. Magnum's 2nd drop banks a little, but then again, it's not very noticeable of a bank. The non-banked turning drops do the job just fine.
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How can you possibly say this is minimal banking.
http://www.joyrides.com/sfgam/full/shock_wave2.htm

Couldn't you use a vertical twist and turning drop to make that?

I guess that I hadn't thought that the drops on those were that banked.

For all the Arrow banked drops, they all seem to turn a majority of the drop down. If they added the banked drop to RCT2 seen on the B&M's, it still wouldn't look right.

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If those elements you mention are what I think they are, then, yes, they can be used. The end result looks fairly accurate. However, It actually turns out that using said elements makes the turning radius way, way too small. The track ends up being one square over from the lift. On the actuall rides, the turning radii are more like the large turns. Plus, even though it ends up looking somewhat banked, the lateral G's say otherwise. This is highly annoying, as the first drop was probably Shock Wave's smoothest point.

With the whole Shockwave drop thing, Chris was VERY realistic. Shockwave isn't real, now is it?

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SOOperGIR, I have to admit to not fully understanding your post, as it is so vague, but here's my best response: I have never seen a decent re-creation of Shock Wave or her sisters, nor have I been able to create one myself. Keep in mind that Shock Wave is still very much a real coaster, as Six Flags has stated she will be re-built at another park. Also, her first drop is nearly identical to the first drop on two other coasters, and incredibly similiar to drops on at least two more.

While Arrow may not use severe banking on some of their coasters, there ARE a few Arrow coasters that do use banked hills, and I would have liked RCT2 to have that feature. Also, ALL Arrow suspended coasters are banked now, but not in RCT2. With all the realistic additions in Roller Coaster Tycoon 2, I hoped that the coasters would also get major additions. Most of them did, but not the Arrow ones.

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Suspendeds use banking to ease the stress on the structure and chassis, sense neither of these matter in RCT, its merely a cosmetic affect. I could really care less.

But the Arrow corckscrews nedd those damn banked drop. Look at Steve Franks Shcokwave recreation, that is the only to get the distance between the first loop and lift semi-correct. The other would be diagnleanl elements and that dosen't look likes its happining anythime soon.