Whats going on with Arrow dynamics?

Wednesday, October 2, 2002 11:42 AM

Good afternoon everyone, I was just curious as to see if anyone has heard anything about arrow dynamics and six flags lawsuit over the fourth dimension coaster?

if this has been posted already i am sorry.

wood Coaster Fan

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Wednesday, October 2, 2002 11:44 AM

If someone had they would've posted it to news. As, For the question no I don't know anything new and I don't expect anyone else to either.

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Wednesday, October 2, 2002 12:38 PM
It has seemed dead for a while now. I am curious myself if anything is and is going to happen. I mean, sooner or later something has to come up!

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Wednesday, October 2, 2002 12:52 PM
what is the lawsuit? bankruptcy?

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Wednesday, October 2, 2002 3:09 PM
Last time a topic like this came up, Jeff said that the suit would take months to resolve. I assume it's still going on.

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Wednesday, October 2, 2002 3:10 PM

There'll probably be something to talk about in the next month and a half. Stay tuned...

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Wednesday, October 2, 2002 5:38 PM
Arrow is still in business and will be attending the IAAPA expo and convention in November as Arrow Dynamics. Once the expo is over I think they will have another name... Same state, different name ;)

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Wednesday, October 2, 2002 9:36 PM

Chris Godsey said:
Arrow is still in business and will be attending the IAAPA expo and convention in November as Arrow Dynamics. Once the expo is over I think they will have another name... Same state, different name

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As long as they keep Arrow in the name I wouldn't mind them renaming themselves. THe Arrow Name has been a household name for coasters for year I don't think they would do away with the name "Arrow". However the company had many names like Arrow-Huss and Arrow Devlopment. In both cases the name Arrow stayed.

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Thursday, October 3, 2002 1:12 AM

Damn I wish, more than anything, that Arrow doesn't loose its name to S&S, or loose its name at all.

S&S seem to be taking on more than they can cope with at the moment. Mr Checketts seems to be a shrewd businessman, with ideas, but I get the impression that they're lacking in the development department. Their two latest rides didn't work right, and they've pretty well lost Paramount and Cedar Fair as potential customers for a while.

Thankfully, Arrow is resisting, at all costs, being put under another company.

Without being free, they won't be able to develop their concepts in a truely 'Arrow' way. If they're going to give in to S&S, then they might as well give their 4D rights to Six Flags, because either way, the Arrow 4D is as good as gone.

Seems that the A's and the S' aren't getting along too well these days, can't blame them though, after spending a century or so next door to each other on the keyboard. :) (I appologise in advance for that one)

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So what if the best coaster in Australia is a second hand Arrow?

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Thursday, October 3, 2002 4:08 AM
Interesting thought, the initials for Arrow and S & S could be A & S & S! :)
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Thursday, October 3, 2002 5:34 AM
For now, the company should be called, Broken Arrow Dynamics since that pretty much describes its current financial state, broke. Of course, we can always turn it into a more descriptive acronym, B.A.D. :)

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Thursday, October 3, 2002 7:00 AM
How is the "Arrow way" better than the "S&S way?" I don't see how Arrow's last project turned out any better than S&S's.

-Nate (who has always referred to Arrow as "BAD")

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Thursday, October 3, 2002 8:02 AM

I guess Stan's thinking is... two wrongs must make a right. I agree that their development teams have been pretty narrow minded when it comes to research and design. Adding a wooden and steel coaster division would help expand those minds to cover more ground. I think it will also allow his current designs to gain more life and evolve into some wonderful hybrids.

But, I disagree with Stan in thinking that Purchasing Arrow and hiring Denise will shift S&S into a broader market. Basically most of his current designs have been flawed have been forced back to the drawing boards in some way shape or form. His new AI model doesnt look NEAR as intense as the first one and the sky swatter.. well its basically a ride on a fly swatter... how fun can that be?!?!?!?? He needs to push his R&D dept. into a new level, a new area....I think having a coaster division will allow that to happen.

I think the best thing for Stan to do is to buy Arrow and leave it as is and make it a subdivision of S&S Power. Arrow has some wonderful ideas in the 4D and the BATic and I think with the right people and funding, those designs can have new life breathed into them.

Hopefully, Stan will make the right decision and not allow an historical entity like Arrow to bite the big one...

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Thursday, October 3, 2002 8:23 AM

Chris, about the SkySwatter not being fun? Have you ridden it yet? :-P I haven't ridden it either but it sure doesn't look like a boring ride... :-)

And the Screaming Squirrel, they still invent new cool looking thrill rides.

I think Stan knows what he's doing, if not, too bad for him but it can only be good for us if they will make some cool rides before he gets bankrupt and get bought by another company :rolleyes:...

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Thursday, October 3, 2002 10:32 AM

It might be fun....but honestly I can think of much more innovative designs they can improve on or enhance.

Like what if they made an adult version of the frog hopper?? They could make it about 300 feet tall and have the thing climb and start bouncing about 50-100 feet at a time... I love the child's version and I think it would be an awesome looking ride. Especially with 12 across seating like the new Zamperla drop rides.

I think I would much rather ride a GIANT Frog Hopper than the Sky Swatter.. :)

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Thursday, October 3, 2002 1:59 PM
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Thursday, October 3, 2002 2:44 PM

Arrow's situation is a lot better at the moment than many would think. With 119+ coasters (rcdb.com), and probably an equally high number of water rides, flat rides and so on, that is a lot of rides.

All of these rides need spare parts at some time. Arrow is the only company that can manufacture all of them. At the moment, they're sustaining themselves on the sale of spare parts, and the retracking of older coasters. That is out of the mouth of Mr Bolingbroke, as said in TheLoop.

The company is running profitably, the Chapter 11 came about from the Six Flags law suit and the miscalculation of the cost of X, making them unable to pay their investors etc. They're still paying the salaries and whatnot, I'm sure they're doing things as cheaply as they can, trying to keep as much of their money as possible for that rainy day (which seems to have been present since earlier this year, and still going strong).

As for the Absolutely Insane/VertiGo mess, my understanding of the situation, is they took into account high wind speeds, but forgot to take into account the slower winds. That is all simple harmonic motion - high school physics stuff. I doubt any Engineer graduates these days without seeing the video footage of the Tacoma Narrows Bridge collapsing of 1940.

The reason I see X as a success as opposed to the Thrust Air, is, there was nothing fundamentally wrong with X other than the train problems, which a third party was largely responsible for. I haven't heard anything about it for a while, so I assume that it is running strong.

Compare Intamin's Rocket Coaster to the Thrust Air for example. Two rides with a nearly identical concept, the only real difference is the method of propultion, and even these are relatively similar to each other. Intamin had the added bonus that they've been building coasters I believe longer than S&S has even been around. But it just seems that S&S took some very unorthidox methods and solutions. There's a few obvious and not so obvious ones, I'll leave you all to figure them out (else I'll start waffling more than I already am). :)

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So what if the best coaster in Australia is a second hand Arrow?

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Friday, October 4, 2002 8:58 AM
What confuses me about Arrow is why they didn't design more of their coasters like the mine train rides. The Arrow mine trains I have ridden have been very smooth rides that have stood out among the other coasters the company has designed. I am sure that a lot of people agree that Arrow does not set the record for smooth rides. However, as I stated, these mine train ones stand out, as they are almost B&M worthy. I am not talking about the company making more mine train rides. Obviously to design a ride, the company must have some concept in mind and certain steps must be taken to make sure the concept is carried out as originally planned. They had to have done something specific with the engineering to have the ride be as smooth as it is. Basically, what did the company do differently to have such a big gap between the mine trains, which are smooth, and the other coasters, which can be very rough? Does anyone have any ideas about that?
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Friday, October 4, 2002 9:36 AM

Chris Godsey said:

His new AI model doesnt look NEAR as intense as the first one and the sky swatter.. well its basically a ride on a fly swatter... how fun can that be?!?!?!?? He needs to push his R&D dept. into a new level, a new area....I think having a coaster division will allow that to happen.


The Sky Sling is just as Intense, and more so than an AI at times. I operated VertiGo @ CP, so I had plenty of rides on it and I like the Sky Sling just as much. The Sky Sling may not be as tall as the AIs, but I liked Sky Sling just as much as VertiGo.

The Sky Swatter is much more than just a ride on a "Fly Swatter," it's actually Intense at times, and I haven't heard a complaint. Personally I think it is a Great Ride and Design.



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Friday, October 4, 2002 9:44 AM

auscoasterman said:

S&S seem to be taking on more than they can cope with at the moment. Mr Checketts seems to be a shrewd businessman, with ideas, but I get the impression that they're lacking in the development department. Their two latest rides didn't work right, and they've pretty well lost Paramount and Cedar Fair as potential customers for a while.



Their 2 Newest Rides seem to be working right, I haven't seen any Problems or Issues. In fact, I love their 2 Newest Rides. As for losing Paramount and Cedar Fair as Potential Customers........well, that's not what I've heard.
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