What Happened With Steel Dragon 2000
They said it would be 318ft. The coaster DROPPED to 311ft. How is that? Did it sink or something (j/k).
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Number 1 And Only Cedar Point
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Number 1 And Only Cedar Point
I thought they said it was 313 now,60CM or 2ft taller than MF which is 311.
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Get wrapped in the coils of Viper at SFGAm.
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Get wrapped in the coils of Viper at SFGAm.
Pepsi Max the Big One was said to be 234 feet( or something like that) and when measured it was really 214 feet(or something like that).
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Ride with full FORCE
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Ride with full FORCE
I can't believe you guys are believing Guinness, with all their inaccuracies, we may never know the actual height.
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Life's too short! Let's go ride some coasters!
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Life's too short! Let's go ride some coasters!
We need to go to Japan, not to ride the thing just to measure it.
I think the 3rd Party who went to measure it was eaten by Godzilla.
If CP is so serious about the record, just level 2'2" of ground underneath the apex. The first couple of feet of CP's ground is just clay soil, so it has no structural value. I believe I heard somewhere that you don't hit bedrock until 5' underground at CP. *** This post was edited by Joe E. on 1/19/2001. ***
I think the 3rd Party who went to measure it was eaten by Godzilla.
If CP is so serious about the record, just level 2'2" of ground underneath the apex. The first couple of feet of CP's ground is just clay soil, so it has no structural value. I believe I heard somewhere that you don't hit bedrock until 5' underground at CP. *** This post was edited by Joe E. on 1/19/2001. ***
Actually, Joe E., Cedar Point's topsoil isn't even clay...mostly, it's *sand*. So given Guiness' usual rule for "tallest" it would be easy to lower the ground a bit. Unless, of course, the measurement is taken not from the ground, but from the top of the footer. That would be a bit harder to change.
--Dave Althoff, Jr.
--Dave Althoff, Jr.
Its not that easy, you just can't dig a whole and put some more track on. Things like cash, stress on parts of the structure, physics, they all come into play. Also, I believe that the point got exactly what they wanted out of Millenium Force. I personally feel that it would look really bad for them to go and make adjustments just to have the record.
Track? No modification of the ride is nessecary. Just dig a hole 2 feet deep underneath the crest. I am looking at my desktop wallpaper, and at the highest point, there is actually no support structure underneath. The 2 highest towers are spread at this point.
Also, I would like to bring up a point that I have not heard mentioned before. At 310' 11" in the air, there is track, and nothing but the ground bellow you! Not even the base of the towers spread far enough.
I am one who also believe that such an action is silliness and CP would definitely look cheap if they tried it. Just trying to help my Fav. Park out. *** This post was edited by Joe E. on 1/19/2001. ***
Also, I would like to bring up a point that I have not heard mentioned before. At 310' 11" in the air, there is track, and nothing but the ground bellow you! Not even the base of the towers spread far enough.
I am one who also believe that such an action is silliness and CP would definitely look cheap if they tried it. Just trying to help my Fav. Park out. *** This post was edited by Joe E. on 1/19/2001. ***
EYELIKEVAG, the point is that according to some measurement rules, the critical distance is the distance from the track to the ground. Removing a bit of ground beneath the track magically makes the ride taller. Of course, by that rule, MarineLand's Dragon Mountain is what...maybe eight feet tall? :)
I seem to recall, though, that Guiness uses the difference in height between the highest point on the ride and the track in the station. Which could account for Steel Dragon apparently shrinking.
Either that, or...well, I know it rains a lot in Japan...maybe it did shrink...
--Dave Althoff, Jr.
I seem to recall, though, that Guiness uses the difference in height between the highest point on the ride and the track in the station. Which could account for Steel Dragon apparently shrinking.
Either that, or...well, I know it rains a lot in Japan...maybe it did shrink...
--Dave Althoff, Jr.
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Rideman, I think you are right but I thought they measured "rail to rail" from the top of the lift to the bottom. As I recall that is how Curtis Summers got around the Mean Streak vs Hercules argument for the wooden record.
Another possiblity is the exact oppisite of my plan. They filled the footers in with too much dirt. Either that or Cecil Fielder got on and it sank.
Remember, we are not talking about a major difference in height. If I were to stand on Millennium Force my head would hit SD2K. SD2k Will always have the longest drop.
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Joe
Beyond Post, Giga Post
Remember, we are not talking about a major difference in height. If I were to stand on Millennium Force my head would hit SD2K. SD2k Will always have the longest drop.
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Joe
Beyond Post, Giga Post
You're only partly right in that respect. The footers are substantially larger than the base of the towers. There are 5.67 feet between the two footers you speak of (each of which is 56 feet in length along the track's direction of travel), and in fact two of the supports of the turn toward the first tunnel (F10 and F11) rest on the very same footer.
Joe E. said:
"Just dig a hole 2 feet deep underneath the crest. I am looking at my desktop wallpaper, and at the highest point, there is actually no support structure underneath. The 2 highest towers are spread at this point."
That said, these footers, which are around 50,000 cubic feet of concrete, are barely underground. About a foot under the surface you will find control and power cables that run the entire length from the station to the motor and drum.
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Jeff (who has actually stood at the location in question at various times during the construction of the ride)
Webmaster/Admin - CoasterBuzz.com
The closest I ever got to the base was the on the train. I was not lucky enough to walk underneath and witness the construction first hand. :( (Boy, I never knew how fun those little guys could be). I will take it from the guy who had his picture taken at the footer's in question.
Now again, this is all nonsense, but depending in were that 5.67 feet of space between the footers is actually located, it still could be done. I assume that the underground cable's are in some kind of housing (well I don't know) so that would make it more difficult. Whatever it will never happen. I am going to now dwell on the thought that a Millennium Force Footer is about the same size as my house.
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Joe
Beyond Post, Giga Post
Now again, this is all nonsense, but depending in were that 5.67 feet of space between the footers is actually located, it still could be done. I assume that the underground cable's are in some kind of housing (well I don't know) so that would make it more difficult. Whatever it will never happen. I am going to now dwell on the thought that a Millennium Force Footer is about the same size as my house.
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Joe
Beyond Post, Giga Post
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