What do you consider a "twister"?

The triple out-n-back topic broguth up an issue for me. The CI Cyclone is often called a twister and it does have laterals, pretty strong at times. The general layout IMO is more that of an out-n-back, with most of the ride featuring vertical rises and drops. For me, Roar, Twister, or even Gwazi are more truly twister layouts, featuring turning drops and considerable laterals throughout the ride. I guess I'd just prefer more descriptive terms for the various layouts that are more common - maybe I'm just too "orderly". Then again, there are always the true freeform coasters like Beast which defy categorization...
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http://www.joyrides.com/coney_island/photos/cyclone1.jpg If you think the CI Cyclone only crosses itself once, think again. After the first drop, it crosses under a turn. After the first turn, it crosses under the same turn again. It begins to go up a hill, crossing under the first drop, and over the tunnel. Then a turn comes, along with another hill, a turn which is stacked below the first turn. That turn drops under another turn, goes up a hill which crosses over another track, then once again turns in a stacked track structure. Then in that pic the track disappears, followed by a turn which crosses over 3 different tracks.

(aproximate) Total counted cross overs: 2 (4 with stacked turnarounds)

(aproximate) Total counted cross unders: 4 (6 with stacked turnarounds)

Note: That was copied from the triple-out-and-back topic
Edit: Yes, I do consider Viper a twister.
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*** This post was edited by TrBiggar on 1/6/2002. ***

I always thought a twister was when a coaster has a steep twist. Sorta like RCT has the steep twist on some coasters.
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Trbiggar: Out of interst, do you consider SFGAm's Viper a twister or an out-and-back? The layout is identical* to the CI original.

My method is simple. From the top of the lift, do you spend more time turning or dropping/climbing?

* - Referring to the layout as viewed from above, hill profiles are similar, but not identical.

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I personally consider rides like Viper at Six Flags Great America a Twister, I only consider rides Out and back coasters if you go straight over a couple hills after the first drop first before making a turn to come back.
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Fujiyama at Fujikyu Highlands in Japan is a twister, although most would just be happy to call it a hyper. I think that any coaster that changes directions many times within its own confines, is a twister.
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I think a few of you are confusing the defintion for twister. It has more to do with the layout than what the track does. If the path of the train crosses over & under itself then it's a twister. To what degree it must cross itself is debatable.

The steep twisting turns associated with a twister usually happen because of the layout (or is it vice versa ;) ) but are not necessary (at least in my opinion) to categorize a coaster as a twister. I think the layout is the key in this situation.

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