Wacky Soap Box Racers at Knott's

Sunday, March 3, 2002 11:40 AM
I used to live in So Cal and loved this ride. Last time I went back it had been removed. I know the push is for more thrilling and bigger coasters, but I always found this to be a fun, unique ride that the whole family could enjoy. A few questions to those in the know....first, what did they ever do with this ride? Was it dismantled and trashed like Windjammer, or is it still sitting somewhere rusting away? Second, why have we not seen more of these rides? I know they are old fashioned and in todays world of the Intamin, B&M, and Arrow mega thrill coasters they might seem kind of like a waste to allot of coaster fans, but I always thought is was a fun ride for the family with enough thrills to keep riders coming back. Plus with 4 tracks it had the feel of a racing coaster and had pretty good capacity. Is this something we might ever see again, or have the days of the "steeplechase" type of coaster passed? Thanks for any info and opinions!
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Sunday, March 3, 2002 11:54 AM

I believe it is gone forever, not in storage. As for this type of ride in the future, I wouldn't be surprised to see it. You were right on the money: It is a great family ride. I think we are seeing a trend towards nostalgia and family rides and this would fit the bill (not too mention up a park's coaster count).

I, for one, would love to see the comeback of this type of ride.

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Sunday, March 3, 2002 12:05 PM
I loved the Soap Box Derby Racers!!!!
Anyways, I believe they are in storage over by the employee parking lot at Knott's Berry Farm.
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Sunday, March 3, 2002 1:23 PM
Does anyone have any pictures of it?
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Sunday, March 3, 2002 2:09 PM
It seems CF forgot about Knott's being a family attaction. All CF has done since they have aquired Knott's is to put thrill rides with the exception of the water park. Instead of trying to create a mini CP/MM they should try to balance the ride package. Adding a set point swing thing (water version) or a Mack water coaster,or even a mine ride would be a nice addition.They could lose one of their shuttle coasters.I'm all for thrill rides but not at the expense of loosing Knott's Berry Farms charm.And before everyone gets their knives out,I do relize that Soap Box Racers was removed before CP purchased KBF.

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A CCI 200ft out and back would rock*** This post was edited by Coaster Bob on 3/3/2002. ***

*** This post was edited by Coaster Bob on 3/3/2002. ***

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Sunday, March 3, 2002 2:29 PM

BoasterBob, I do agree with you to some point, but the thing that Knotts WAS lacking were "thrill"rides. I, myself, went to Knotts 8 years ago and that was enough for me. Until last year! My cousin insisted I go try the S&S turbo drop (Supreme Scream) while we were in LA at SFMM. It was pretty crowded at SFMM on a Sunday, and we were planning to return on Monday, so we hopped in the car and headed for Knotts with the sole purpose of riding Supreme Scream and maybe getting a ride on the CCI (GhostRider). we rode Supreme Scream, Perilopus Plunge and FIVE laps on GhostRider. I have been back 3 times since then.

CF purchased Knotts as a business investment. In order to capitalize on their investment, they chose to focus on adding some thrill rides, to persuade the thrill seekers to go to Knotts. From my own accounts, it looks like its working. Does that mean they should abondon their family appeal altogether??? By no means, but a good balance of family and thrills could be just the ticket for Knotts. Consider their competition is SFMM (ALL thrills) and Disney (ALL family) and Knotts looks headed in the right direction to me.

Just as a note: I never got the opportunity to ride Soap Box Racers but EVERYONE I know that did ride it, LOVED IT! Wish I coulda rode it.

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Sunday, March 3, 2002 3:41 PM
You totally have a point.I'd love if they got rid of the Boomerang and replaced it with an Extreme ArrowBATic.But it would also be cool to add a Virginia Reel in Ghost Town.

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Sunday, March 3, 2002 7:51 PM

Matthew said:
I loved the Soap Box Derby Racers!!!!
Anyways, I believe they are in storage over by the employee parking lot at Knott's Berry Farm.
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Not true at all. There is nothing but Xcelerator track back there now. Soapbox Derby was great, but it was dismantled.

And as for Knotts only adding thrill rides, show me a park with a more balanced selection of rides for everyone. No one, not Disneyland, not Cedar Point has the variety of rides that please every member of the family.

For Little Kids: All of Camp Snoopy..thats a lot right there

Pretty Small Kids: Camp Snoopy, Log Ride, Calico Mine Ride, Kingdom of the Dinosaurs, Jaguar, Calico Railroad, Stagecoach...

And for everyone else, there are the thrill rides, or some of the "entire family rides" like Log Ride or Calico Mine Ride.

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Monday, March 4, 2002 4:42 AM

You cannot point the fingers at Cedar Point for beefing up the park. The Knott family made the decision to remove the Soap Box Racers, and they made the decision to install the Boomerang, add the Windjammer, and go ahead with the GhostRider project.

It was Cedar Point that called the shot to move GhostRider into the retail area, to allow more rides, and it was their decision to remove Windjammer, which is a shame, since a looping racing mid sized coaster would have worked with repeat riders, had it not been a bad installation.

Knott's is a lot like Kennywood, with old and new. Its just that Kennywood knows its place, and Cedar Point is 3 hours away. Unfortunately, SFMM is not 3 hours from Knott's, and therefore the management team under Falfas has to be more proactive in new attractions.

It does not hurt to have a Disney park minutes away, but if you do not change, you will lose your local tourist base in a matter of 1 or 2 seasons. Knott's made good money, several family members sit on Cedar Fair's board, and it is my opinion that Cedar Point did a good thing by purchasing the operation. Oh yeah, they built a great waterpark. Did I mention that?

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Monday, March 4, 2002 5:17 AM
Agent Johnson, You "GOT" your knife out (LOL). I've already established the fact that it wasn't CP's decision to remove SBR and I also reconized the Water Park. I agree with what you are saying. All i'm asking is for CP not to just focus on thrills. would it hurt them to either improve or add a minor thrill ride for famlies as well as thrill rides.

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Monday, March 4, 2002 7:09 AM

It was Cedar Point that called the shot to move GhostRider into the retail area, to allow more rides,


What? Cedar Fair had nothing to do with the location of GR. The location was already established long before. I agree on all the other points though. They do have to be more proactive. But, going forward they also need to be a little more selective I think. KBF hasn't had a good track record lately with their ride choices. Windjammer obviously did not work out. Then the problems with Plunge even before the death, then the whole Skycoaster (whoops can't build that here) thing, and now the issues with the Totally Insane rides. Hopefully, Xcelerator will break the cycle and will not have any issues! I'm crossing my fingers!

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Monday, March 4, 2002 10:29 AM

It is a travesty that SBDR was removed for Windjammer, but hopefully Xcelerator will make up for it. Motorcycle Chase/SBDR was a great family coaster, too bad the only Steeplechase left is half a world away.

I'm crossing my fingers that Bonfante Gardens will add one of these someday, or purchase SBDR, would fit perfectly in this beautiful family theme park.

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Monday, March 4, 2002 2:26 PM

Its not a big deal that Knotts is adding lots of thrill rides these days because they already have a strong base of childrens and family attractions.

I would be more alarmed at Six Flags Magic Mountain adding numerous thrill rides, with minimal rides for the families or anyone who doesn't like thrill rides.

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Tuesday, March 5, 2002 12:16 PM
Coasterbuff, it was Cedar Fair that put GhostRider back on track. The Knott's couldn't decide what exactly what was being removed and when, and the project started to waiver. Kinzel made GR the priority, so proper zoning permits and other criteria were met when the check was cut. Simple as that.
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Thursday, March 7, 2002 7:52 PM

Coasterbuff, it was Cedar Fair that put GhostRider back on track. The Knott's couldn't decide what exactly what was being removed and when, and the project started to waiver. Kinzel made GR the priority, so proper zoning permits and other criteria were met when the check was cut. Simple as that.


Okay, but now you are saying something entirely different than what I responded to. You original statement made it sound like Cedar Fair "moved" GR from someplace else in the park "to allow more rides". Allow more rides? Where?

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Friday, March 8, 2002 4:08 AM
The Knott's had the deposit down, but there was a hold up with the exact placement in the park. Added to the sale negotiations, the project was put on hold. It was a priority for Kinzel to get back on track with the coaster. He was correct, California needed a new woodie.
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