Thursday, April 14, 2005 3:33 AM
is it really scary? i heard it's intense is it? :(
Thursday, April 14, 2005 7:19 AM
For a non-enthusiast, Viper can be a real challenge. At 188-feet and 70mph, it's one of the tallest and fastest traditional looping coasters in the world. From experience, Viper is not that painful, but that's if it isn't being compared to the smooth transitioning B&M's. Take the very front row of the first car - it's an excellent seat choice. And it is VERY intense.
Thursday, April 14, 2005 7:23 AM
I haven't ridden Viper, but I've always found it's cousins (Shockwave, Great American Scream Machine) to be more enjoyable in the back. Then again, Viper doesn't have a "Satan's Curve". ;)
Thursday, April 14, 2005 7:31 AM
Also, Viper is head and shoulders above it's cousins. Shockwave and Gasm were/are pretty deadly, Viper I found to be great fun. Excellent, excellent coaster, maybe the best of the Arrow multi-loopers. Well, that and PKI's Vortex, hard to pick for myself.
Thursday, April 14, 2005 7:33 AM
I rode front back and middle during my stay at SFMM and I must say Viper was my favorite coaster in the park. It's no B&M, but for an Arrow built 15 years ago, it's held up extremely well, a heck of a lot better than it's New Jersey cousin! I found Viper to be much smoother than X, and it had a lot of thrills; good amout of speed, lots of elements and a long ride to top it all off.

Intense, definitely, painful, somewhat, but there are much worse (like Son of Beast!)

--Brett, feeling like fanning the flames today ;)

Thursday, April 14, 2005 8:36 AM
I rode once a few years ago.

I loved it. My favorite Arrow so far. Not only is the coaster tall, but it is built on the mountain, so it seems much taller. Going through the loops at the height was pretty scary for me. It travels through the loops rather slow I think, which heightens the fear factor. I love it.

Thursday, April 14, 2005 9:38 AM
I liked Viper...virtually no headbanging when I rode it in 2000. It actually was pretty smooth. As BullGuy said, it's a LOT better than it's cousins Shockwave and GASM.
Thursday, April 14, 2005 9:46 AM
I love Viper in almost 15 years ago it started my coaster obession and it still holds up today. I find Viper to be very smooth, but not B&M glass smooth. It is a very fun, fast and instense ride. I think it best in the front row of the last car or in the front row, front car. Wow, hard to believe it has been 15 years since it opened on 04.07.90. Time flys when your having fun. ^_^
Thursday, April 14, 2005 9:54 AM
BTW what part of ShockWave and GASM is known as the "Satan Curve"? Viper's first drop is steeper and tigher than on either of them. So I am guess it that cool drop off the Mid-Course Brakes on those two coasters. I wish Viper featured that drop over the s-curve drop.
Thursday, April 14, 2005 10:14 AM
SONiC - actually "Satan's Curve" is the sharp, painful curving rise INTO the brake run on both ShockWave and GASM.


Thursday, April 14, 2005 10:30 AM
Haven't ridden GASM in years, probably been a half-dozen or more visits without the need to hurt myself like that....Viper, OTOH, gets a lap nearly every time I'm at the Mountain...

Shockwave sleeps wit' da fishes....where it belonged...;)

Thursday, April 14, 2005 10:34 AM
I'd call Viper one of the three best coasters at SFMM.
Thursday, April 14, 2005 10:39 AM
I'd go so far to call Viper the best coaster at the Mountain, then again, I only got one ride on X so it's hard to make a decision based on that...

Anyways, I got on Viper expecting Shockwave and was surprised to find near B&M smoothness, strong forces (unlike B&M) and little to no headbanging. It is everything Shockwave should have been.

Thursday, April 14, 2005 10:46 AM
If it wasn't for Riddler, I could probably say Viper was the best coaster at SFMM. I just really dug Riddler's Revenge for some reason.

X was cool, but if given just one lap at SFMM I'd be just as tempted to ride Viper as X.

Thursday, April 14, 2005 11:05 AM
So that Arrow Corkscrew-like (Model name) turn after the Corkscrew(s) (Element) is the "Satan Curve"? It doesn't look so bad, but then I have ridden Python and that is a terible ride.
Thursday, April 14, 2005 11:05 AM
I've always enjoyed Viper. I've only ridden Vortex once but don't remember it to be as good as Viper.

Gotta love that Boomerang! I won't how the Bowtie is on Dragon Mountain?

Thursday, April 14, 2005 11:19 AM
Being taller than 6"3 is a true pain in Viper - so unfortunately I'm left out of the Viper Fan Club for that reason (actually, all of the Arrow and Vekoma OTSRs are painful for me because I can't keep my back straight in them).
Apart from that, Viper is a clear must at SFMM - I guess it's their best "classic" altogether, it's a little bangy and a littly crawly at the end, but it's still THE iconic "classic" arrow looper.

(My favourite at SFMM is also RR though - not having been on X).

For the mentioned reason, I can't handle more than 1 ride on Viper - you'll rather find me in line for a re-ride of RR (if it runs 2 trains, that is). *** Edited 4/14/2005 3:21:36 PM UTC by superman***

Thursday, April 14, 2005 11:31 AM

After the third loop there is a harsh, unbanked turn into the MCB - it is on the right side of the linked picture. Shockwave had the exact same turn, but in the later loopscrew "semi-clones", they must have realized their error and eliminated, hence the smoother version out west at SFMM with the same elements in the same order.

Thursday, April 14, 2005 11:51 AM
I feel sometimes like I'm the only one that doesn't get the fascination with Riddler's. Sorry to get off topic here but I think it may be like in my bottom 5 B&M's. And I *like* stand ups, in general.

Oh well. I also don't understand why *some* are so nuts about Hulk, either, so maybe I just have some sort of bias against large, ugly, grean B&M's. :)

Thursday, April 14, 2005 12:05 PM
*cringes* thanks for making my neck hurt redman, just a picture of that part of GASM hurts to look at. That is the part of the coaster I swear popped a lens out of my glasses inside a soft case last year. This year it's hard clamshell case for the glasses when I go on coasters.

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