Very wierd......and interesting!!

Saturday, December 13, 2003 6:49 PM
While browsing the net it came to me, why in the world is DCA getting Tower of Terror when they already have Maliboomer. Could this be the crazy decisions that Roy has been talking about? Now i can see Disneyland getting the TOT but i find that kind of odd for this to happen. Whats next, a Rock N' Roller coaster clone for DCA............
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Saturday, December 13, 2003 7:21 PM
Well , they are very different rides.

TOT is enclosed , and is a walk through and a Drop ride.

Maliboomer is outside , and launches you.

I think Roy is mainly talking about things like bad maintenaince like with BTMR and how the quality of their films has been pretty low as of late(except POTC)

And I believe a R&RC clone would be the best possible addition to DCA at this point.


Edit: My post had many problems.
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Yep , it's official. I completely disagree with you. *** Edited 12/14/2003 7:49:15 PM UTC by thepinkdoomofmonkeys***

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Sunday, December 14, 2003 12:01 AM
You've got to be kidding. Aside from the theming, RnRC has a nearly identical ride experience as Cali. Screamin'. Granted, I haven't ridden either, but...
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Sunday, December 14, 2003 12:01 AM
Finding Nemo rocked man!
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Sunday, December 14, 2003 12:18 AM
Finding Nemo was Pixar's fault. You can't credit Disney for that.

I found Atlantis to be above average. It didn't get the credit it deserves.

ApolloAndy- Explain again how RnRC and Cali' Screamin' have an identical ride experience. How do you know having not ridden either?

Screamin' and RnRC are NOTHING alike. Screamin' really does feel like a beachfront wooden coaster (that just happens to be as smooth as an Intamin) and RnRC feels like you're on a bad acid trip at an Aerosmith concert.

Both coasters launch- that's the only thing they have in common. That'd be like saying that Wicked Twister and Top Thrill Dragster have identical ride experiences.

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Sunday, December 14, 2003 12:38 AM

thepinkdoomofmonkeys said:


And I believe a R&RC clone would be the best possible edition to DCA at this point.


The best possible edition of what?

Oh, wait. You must've meant addition. My bad.

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Sunday, December 14, 2003 1:13 AM

Michael Darling said:
ApolloAndy- Explain again how RnRC and Cali' Screamin' have an identical ride experience. How do you know having not ridden either?

That'd be like saying that Wicked Twister and Top Thrill Dragster have identical ride experiences.


Or possibly saying ToT and Mailboomer are identical?

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Sunday, December 14, 2003 1:27 AM
I think i can help ApolloAndy out a little. When he says a nearly identical Ride experience he's justified. Being that both are launched coasters. Although the launch is the only thing they have in common, the launch is the highlight of the ride. That alone holds more weight than anything. Thats why pretty much all launched coasters have the launched emphasized on the coaster when they are broadcasted. Actually wicked twister and TTD do have a very similar ride experience. Both launches you, Both have a spiral (one has 2) but all and out they are more closely related than CS and RRC.

I feel like this........maliboomer is gonna be left in the dust after TOT is open (is it already??) being that as a whole the experience is alot better and it offer more than just a drop - it offers a story. So is that what they want to happen..........open up a new thrill ride and watch another fall under. If thats the case then thats not that smart. Not saying that when a park opens a new attraction the others get left in the dust but these are two mechanically identical rides (both lift you and drop you and shoots you back up then drops you again) except one has the all out themeing.............humm so which one would you choose??

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Sunday, December 14, 2003 2:15 AM
I still very strongly disagree. The launch on Screamin' isn't the highlight of the ride. There really *is* no highlihght of Screamin'. It's just... well... it's Screamin'. Great ride, but it could be better.

When you compare Screamin', which is more family oriented, to RnRC, which is more high-adrenaline thrill oriented, you're making comparisons you shouldn't make. Sure, they're kind of alike but they're so incredibly different.

Cali' Screamin':RnRC::Antique Cars:Bumper Cars

(To everyone who just had a fit of horror in that flashback to your SATs, I apologize... just think- those analogies are NO LONGER on the test :) )

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Sunday, December 14, 2003 2:26 AM
I agree with Andy...RnRC is too similar of a ride. I would not want to see it in DCA. Plus there are already two in the world. How about some new concepts? DCA could definitely use some more unique attractions rather then hand me downs from other parks.
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Sunday, December 14, 2003 2:59 PM
That comment about R&RC was made on the fly. I didn't mean for it to rule the thread.

I think it'd be a great addition. It would fill another gap left by lack of thrills , and could get guests to realize that the park has more than just a few good rides. It would boost the number of thrill and good rides to 7(Cali' Screamin', Soarin' , Grizzly River Rapids, TOT , Maliboomer, Millionaire).and that's not counting The sun wheel and Stinger , which are also apparantly fun.

It might make the park worth a try.

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No one ever complains about a bad experience at MGM , even though it only has two noteworthy-rides.

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Sunday, December 14, 2003 3:54 PM
Just look what they did in Paris: They built R&RC in the new park as THE flagship thrillride. While they have another launched indoor looper nextdoor.
This didnĀ“t work at all. Maybe the new park would have been a bit more successful if they opened it with ToT in the first place.
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Sunday, December 14, 2003 4:15 PM
The park was worth a try back in February 2001 when it opened and became one of my top 10 parks. That's above two Busch parks (SWO and BGT), every CF park I've been to (KBF, CP, MiA, Dorney), all but two SF (SFGAm, SFGAdv) and three Disney parks (DL, MK, Disney Studios) I've been to, and a Universal park (USF).

I don't know where people get the idea that DCA is/was bottom of the barrel by any means. I was pretty thrilled with Screamin', Soarin', and Grizzly River Rapids as the E-ticket attractions. With TZTOT and the other additions they've put in since, I could imagine it moving up to at least my 7th or 8th favorite park.

1) BGW 2) DL 3) PKI 4) Hershey 5) MK 6) SFGAm 7) IOA 8) Disney Studios 9) SFGAdv 10) DCA 11) Dollywood 12) SFOG 13) BGT 14) SDC 15) HW 16) SFWOA 17) CP 18) Wild Adv 19) AK 20) SFNE

Notes: Millionaire isn't a ride, but *is* a pretty entertaining and fun show. CS and RnRC aren't hardly anything alike! They both launch and go upside down. It's almost like comparing Flight of Fear with Volcano at PKD. Anyone ever heard complaints of similarities there?

-Danny

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Sunday, December 14, 2003 6:14 PM
off topic:since when haven't there been analogies on the SAT's?

nevermind, found the SAT site *** Edited 12/14/2003 11:28:09 PM UTC by colincsl***

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Sunday, December 14, 2003 6:30 PM

Koaster King said:


CS and RnRC aren't hardly anything alike! They both launch and go upside down. It's almost like comparing Flight of Fear with Volcano at PKD. Anyone ever heard complaints of similarities there?

-Danny


Well being that One is inverted and one is standard how can anyone compare.....I know it may ball down to someone saying that since 2 roller coasters have a lift that they are similar. Its like this a lift is standard. but a launch is something extra for a ride and if you have 2 standard launching coasters then they are gonna be deemed as being similar in a mechanical aspect. Both are sitdown, both are launched.

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Sunday, December 14, 2003 6:49 PM
Then TTD and Hypersonic are similar to them too by your definition. Would it be dumb for PKD to put in an Intamin Rocket Coaster since they already have Hypersonic?

Lets think about this for a second-

RnRC-
*launched (once horizontally)
*sitdown
**Vekoma**
**enclosed**
**themed to a speedy trip to a rock concert**
**three inversions, none a vertical loop**
**around 3500 feet long**

California Screamin'-
*launched (once horizontally, twice ramped)
*sitdown
**Intamin**
**one inversion (vertical loop)**
**launched lifts--> actual drops**
**not enclosed**
**around 6000 feet long**
**themed to look like a classic wooden coaster**

There are more comparisons between FOF and Volcano: Launch (up and into an inversion), invert four times, currently at PKD, neither have actual specific drops (unless you want to count the end of Volcano, which would stretch it IMO),...

-Danny

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Sunday, December 14, 2003 10:37 PM
Maliboomer and ToT are totally different. There is nothing weird about having both in one park.

Nothing would change at DCA. Its not like people would quit riding Maliboomer because of ToT. Maliboomer would still be semi-popular like it is now. ToT, I predict will become the most popular ride in the park.

You'd have a lot easier argument saying that Disneyland shouldn't have Dumbo and Astro Orbiter in the same park (which isn't even true, but still)...

I'd rather not see RNRC at DCA. Give us something original, please. Not that I wouldn't like to have RNRC. I'd just like to see something creative, new and different (and yes I know that costs a lot more). But still, I have no problem with the clones that are there, but I would just like to see a little more at DCA that makes it different from other Disney parks.

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Monday, December 15, 2003 12:30 AM
Just a note- last I heard DCA's ToT isn't Twilight Zone themed. Somebody correct me if you know for sure that I am wrong.

Still, ToT and Maliboomer are absolutely nothing alike. (Maliboomer is a spaceshot for those of you who would find some sort of argument about that.)

If you want to complain about ToT and Maliboomer being similar, complain about this too:

*Cedar Point has Demon Drop, two space shots and two turbo drops, and a skycoaster.
*SFoG has their Intamin 1st Gen. freefall, a parachute drop, and Acrophobia.
*SFMM has a 1st Gen. freefall, X, and a skycoaster

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Monday, December 15, 2003 12:49 AM
DCA's ToT indeed bears the Twilight Zone name.

A billboard on the work walls in front of the ride...

http://www.disneyforever.com/disneyland/12_13_03/pages/pic008.htm

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Monday, December 15, 2003 12:51 AM
Alrighty. I stand corrected. I thought I heard something a while back (we're talking back when the project was announced) about some dispute with CBS over the name.
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