Vekoma LSM coasters

Monday, November 18, 2002 4:11 PM
Does anyone have a picture of their launch system? Also, is it launched by an oblect grabbing the car and then powered by LSMs, pull the car? Just wondering because their launch coaster is the most intense launch coaster I have ever gone on. Then again I've only been on V2 and RnR.

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Monday, November 18, 2002 5:38 PM

I am not sure, but I think that I remember going backwards a couple feet on RnR before the launch. I have never been on another LSM/LIM coaster that has done that.

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Monday, November 18, 2002 7:01 PM

i havnt been on one yet, but they sure do look awesome...i was just looking at pics of Superman the Ride at Six Flags Holland (i think thats where its at)...its basically RnR without the building :) the layout looks AWESOME, almost more appealing than the FoF or Jokers Jinx....

Tim, who still has no shame admitting that i have yet to ride a Vekoma that i did not enjoy.....and ive ridden MANY Vekomas, many different models ;)

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Tuesday, November 19, 2002 7:55 AM
So you can honestly say you enoyed El Condor at Six Flags Holland?
That was one of the rides that made me really angry at what coasters can do to people...

it was about the bumpiest ride I've been on to date... aside from Eurostar inverted on the autumn fair in Cologne this year.

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Tuesday, November 19, 2002 8:06 AM

actually, havnt yet ridden any coasters in Europe...and to be honest, ive only been on two SLCs here in the US....

lets see, two SLC's, four boomerangs, two invertigos, two flyers, one corkscrew model.....that might be it.....and maybe its just me, but each one ive really enjoyed....but im sorry to hear about your El Condor experience...hopefully it wont be as bad next time ;)

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Tuesday, November 19, 2002 11:25 AM

I think RnR uses the catapult launch system (same as on Space Mountain in Paris) & Superman uses LSMs (I believe Disney have the rights to the catapult launch). Not entirely sure though. RnR rocks btw :)

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Tuesday, November 19, 2002 12:13 PM
Nope Rock'n RollerCoaster uses LSM just like Superman The Ride.
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Tuesday, November 19, 2002 12:25 PM
well somehow I'm B&M spoiled, but I didn't enjoy Superman at Six Flags Holland that much... maybe it was because it was at the end of the day and it had a 1 hour wait to get on and I didn't care to much anyway... but somehow this coaster is constantly pressing you to your seat... constant positive Gs throughout... sometimes more sometimes less and it only changes the way it goes round 1 time.
I just like to feel smoothly changing Gs so much!
Anyway... the start is really cool and so are the two inversions at the start of the coaster.
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Tuesday, November 19, 2002 1:29 PM

RnR uses a catapult launch. When in line you can clearly see the launch track.

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Tuesday, November 19, 2002 3:42 PM
I don't know which RnR of the two you're all referring to, but the version at DLP definitly use LSM's. I've been on Superman and the DLP version of RnR, and i can say the launch feels much the same: very aggressive, just the way i like it!

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Tuesday, November 19, 2002 7:24 PM
RnR at Disney uses a push car to launch the train, that's why it backs up before it launches. It uses LSMs to send the pusher car down the track.
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Wednesday, November 20, 2002 2:25 AM

A simple explanation of LSM:

A small 'pusher car' is propelled by LIM to a given speed. Just before the launch, the train (with people) is clicked to the pusher car and both accelerate.
At the end of the launch area, the speed is measured...if good, the pusher car releases the train; if bad, the train comes to an abrupt stop.

The main difference between LSM and LIM is the fact that LSM allows you to enter any speed on the computer and the train is launched at that speed.
LIM depends on the amount and power of the motors.

Space Mountain has more or less the same launch as a Schwarzkopf Shuttle Loop (not the weightdrop), a cable pulls the train. Xcellerator has something similar too.

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Wednesday, November 20, 2002 3:09 AM
http://frank.drnk.net/tp.nl/vekoma_lsm.jpg

That's a photo of the blueprints of a standard Vekoma LSM Coaster.

I also want to point out that Superman the Ride in Six Flags Holland was originally a RnR, but Disney Studios Paris shifted the purchase back one year. Vekoma sold the original RnR to Six Flags, which located it in SFH. Superman the Ride thus uses the same system as an RnR.

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Wednesday, November 20, 2002 5:46 AM
RnRC at WDW is commonly misunderstood. It does use a gravity launch system and not LIMs. I believe this misconception comes from the original rumors of the ride at WDWMagic.com which I believe stated the ride was LIM launched.

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Wednesday, November 20, 2002 12:25 PM
RnR is a LSM launched coaster. Go to vekoma's website and it says LSM coaster and shows a pic of Superman which is the same as RnR.

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Wednesday, November 20, 2002 1:03 PM

Yes. RnR is indeed a LSM-launched coaster. You can clearly see the LSM devices!

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Wednesday, November 20, 2002 5:20 PM

Sorry, RnRC at MGM at WDW is NOT magnetically launched, according to Disney. Disney calls the launch system a "gravity perpulsion system."

If it actually is LIM launched or not, is a different story. I'm just telling you what I have read on fact sheets from Disney.

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Wednesday, November 20, 2002 5:38 PM
"B&M spoiled!" That's an oxymoron if I ever did hear one.

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Wednesday, November 20, 2002 6:02 PM

Okay guy, I digress. I did some talking to some folks (including several Disney cast members) and they all agree that RnRC is not gravity launched. They can't decide if it's LSM or LIM though.

I will hold to the fact that I read somewhere within the RnRC building that the ride uses a "gravity perpulsion system." Either it was a misprint, I read it wrong, or I remember it wrong.

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