Unfortunate Experience w/Apollo's Chariot
I boarded, and instead of being checked by the normal op, the supervisor did me. The ride before when I was stapled after asking her not to push it down so much it hurt, I had just slid my hand, flat, on my hip, that's not much space after you relax. I was probally more annoying than anything, begging them not to make it hurt. I just hate being read my rights every four seconds while I'm trying to ride something in a comfort zone.
But those brakes aren't off topic! I really meant that was the worse unfortunate thing IMO about riding AC the other day. They are the worse, I look at my pictures and it makes me sick! Is this something in response to the Goliath incident? They really trim the ride off, it is sick, sick, sick. Has anyone else hit 'em yet?
But those brakes aren't off topic! I really meant that was the worse unfortunate thing IMO about riding AC the other day. They are the worse, I look at my pictures and it makes me sick! Is this something in response to the Goliath incident? They really trim the ride off, it is sick, sick, sick. Has anyone else hit 'em yet?
GreatAdventureAddict said:
"Heres a secret i learned on Nitro to avoid the "stapeling" you talk about:
1)- When you put your restraint down, bring it down slowly. Keep your knee underneath the "lip" of the clamshell, so that the restraint is being held by your knee. When the ops come around, just act normal, as soon as you leave remove your knee, and you'll have great floating room. I dont want to be responsible for any deaths, so make sure its not TOO much room.
2)- If you dont feel like using your knee, just put something from your pocket underneath the clamshell. As soon as you hit the lift, just put it back in your pocket.
Use this Information wisely!!"
I don't want to sound harsh, but the reason the ride ops staple is because people go OUT OF THEIR WAY to try to get one over on the safety system.
On AC there is a red line on the lower disc portion of the lap bar arm. If that red line is not showing, the bar needs to come further down. Remember! AC was built for air, not for flopping around loosely in the seat. We're in a world where ride safety is beginning to encroach on ride enjoyment, don't blame the parks, BLAME THE LAWYERS
SAM
p_c_r said:
"I hate to sound, what's the word for it, a brat, but they should have been forking things at me without me having to ask, that ride supervisor(Bill) was very harrassing, and probally hasn't been on that ride, even the other ops could tell my experience was being watered down"
Let me get this right, first you're approached for riding in an unsafe manner, then warned IN YOUR FACE about it, and once the situation had escalated to a point where either YOU complain to GR, or THEY throw your butt out. You decide to go to GR, AND YOU EXPECT THAT THEY SHOULD BE GIVING YOU THINGS, WITHOUT YOU ASKING FOR THEM???????
I don't get it! It sounds like you wanted a free ticket to return, or a refund of your admission.
If thats what YOU WANTED, and they didn't give it to you, TOO BAD. Your motivation to go to GR was to complain, not to get free stuff RIGHT?!?!?!?!
I am sorry but, I do have to wonder myself. Operations supervisors don't single out guests and wait on them unless there has been a problem. They just don't have the time to waste otherwise.
There is a problem with nitro right now in that the air time is so great that folks are trying to find ways to keep the restraints as loose as they can possibly be IE: right at the lauch line on the restraint post.
I personally saw two people who maybe weighed 120lb soaking wet attempt to keep the restraints as far away as possible. I know the seats are deep but, if they would have been alowed to ride with the restraints in that position nitro may have had a couple of deaths because when they came out of the seats there was plenty of room for them to slip out around the restraints.
These same people argued with the ride attendant who did not "staple them" just snugged down the restraint to make sure they would stay in the ride.
Yup you guessed it security was waiting for them when we got back to the station.
Now I am not saying this was the case here but, I still wonder why an extremely busy operations supervisor waits for a single guest on the ride platform.
There is a problem with nitro right now in that the air time is so great that folks are trying to find ways to keep the restraints as loose as they can possibly be IE: right at the lauch line on the restraint post.
I personally saw two people who maybe weighed 120lb soaking wet attempt to keep the restraints as far away as possible. I know the seats are deep but, if they would have been alowed to ride with the restraints in that position nitro may have had a couple of deaths because when they came out of the seats there was plenty of room for them to slip out around the restraints.
These same people argued with the ride attendant who did not "staple them" just snugged down the restraint to make sure they would stay in the ride.
Yup you guessed it security was waiting for them when we got back to the station.
Now I am not saying this was the case here but, I still wonder why an extremely busy operations supervisor waits for a single guest on the ride platform.
Jeff is absolutley correct on this subject. If riders are not willing to follow the safety instructions given by the park, they should not be permitted to ride. Apollo is a huge piece of machinery, it should be treated with respect.
The person who made this post was not respecting the danger that a machine like this can pose. It is ride ops responsibilty to insure that no one is injured on a ride. I would much rather see them put the bar too tight, than be negligent and not check it at all.
If you are not willing to obey park's rules, please stay home. When you go flying out of a coaster, it only raises the insurance premium and our admission price.
Look at coaster accident history. The overwhelming majority of accidents have not been caused by equipment failure, but by the riders stupidity and failure to obey the rules and respect the equipment.
The person who made this post was not respecting the danger that a machine like this can pose. It is ride ops responsibilty to insure that no one is injured on a ride. I would much rather see them put the bar too tight, than be negligent and not check it at all.
If you are not willing to obey park's rules, please stay home. When you go flying out of a coaster, it only raises the insurance premium and our admission price.
Look at coaster accident history. The overwhelming majority of accidents have not been caused by equipment failure, but by the riders stupidity and failure to obey the rules and respect the equipment.
Well...the fact of the matter is that the lapbar should be snug...but not too tight. I could see how an over zealous operator, or an operator who was having a bad day could take it out on a guest who was not "getting with the program" and push down extra hard just to prove a point. Either way, the operators should be nice about it and not push down excessively. Likewise, guests shouldn't try to trick the operators.
It sucks being an operator sometimes. Guests have been known to treat folks badly. But, their job is to provide a pleasant experience. Smiles! Remember, you're on stage. Be nice, the folks in the park contribute to your paycheck. No, you shouldn't have to take abuse. If a guest is being abusive, be as nice as you can about it, don't lecture them. Let security of GR handle it. Don't let it get to you. Folks can act spoiled sometimes.
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Forget about it. It can't be THAT bad!
It sucks being an operator sometimes. Guests have been known to treat folks badly. But, their job is to provide a pleasant experience. Smiles! Remember, you're on stage. Be nice, the folks in the park contribute to your paycheck. No, you shouldn't have to take abuse. If a guest is being abusive, be as nice as you can about it, don't lecture them. Let security of GR handle it. Don't let it get to you. Folks can act spoiled sometimes.
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Forget about it. It can't be THAT bad!
Sam A. Marks: When I went to GR they were like what can we give you. I wasn't about to ask for something, that's not my style. I hate it when the parks are like that. I seriously filed complaint because it seriously hurt, that was the complaint. They even pushed my wife's restraint down enough for it to cause her some discomfort.
In no way was I trying to endanger myself, you just don't understand the restraint was snug before they torqued it down. I felt no air on that ride, only pain. Just for fun try stapling yourself into those seats as hard as possible. I'm very slim, very. I'd hate to say the restraint was pretty close to its' lowest point:(. Can someone say something about those brakes? That's what I wanted to get at. I was just giving a warning that it is painful to be stapled to AC, it's the only time I've ever been beaten by a coaster.......
In no way was I trying to endanger myself, you just don't understand the restraint was snug before they torqued it down. I felt no air on that ride, only pain. Just for fun try stapling yourself into those seats as hard as possible. I'm very slim, very. I'd hate to say the restraint was pretty close to its' lowest point:(. Can someone say something about those brakes? That's what I wanted to get at. I was just giving a warning that it is painful to be stapled to AC, it's the only time I've ever been beaten by a coaster.......
There is an answer to being stapled on these rides and perhaps SFGADV made a move that was too quick in removing the safety cables on Nitro.
When those cables were in place the one thing they did being spring loaded was pull the restraint down to a snug but not uncomfortable. Perhaps because Raging Bull and AP both have the same type of restraints we should ask the parks to bring back that safety cable. It would solve a lot of problems and prevent any misunderstandings. There is a downside though it will slow down the load/unload time a bit. Folks we all want safety but, don't want to be inconvenienced by it. You sometimes can't have it both ways.
When those cables were in place the one thing they did being spring loaded was pull the restraint down to a snug but not uncomfortable. Perhaps because Raging Bull and AP both have the same type of restraints we should ask the parks to bring back that safety cable. It would solve a lot of problems and prevent any misunderstandings. There is a downside though it will slow down the load/unload time a bit. Folks we all want safety but, don't want to be inconvenienced by it. You sometimes can't have it both ways.
p_c_r said:
Can someone say something about those brakes? That's what I wanted to get at. I was just giving a warning that it is painful to be stapled to AC, it's the only time I've ever been beaten by a coaster......."
I am a larger person, I've ridden AC probably 50 to 100 times, I don't recall one uncomfortable ride. I'm large enough where they have to put additional pressure on the lap bar to get the bar where it needs to be. Maybe this is a cushion thing, I have cushion you don't.......
As for the brakes.......
B&M builds their coasters to go a particular speed, during certain weather and heat situations the coaster will run faster than it was intended. B&M installs trims to make sure the proper speed is attained but not passed during certain parts of their ride...that brake has been there from day one, but if you're going the right speed, it'll never engage, and thats why you didn't feel it before
SAM
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