Twisting drop on P.R. & Pepsi max the same?

I was watching the show on Europes coasters the other day.I looks like the first drop on Pepsi max:the Big one has the same twist as Phantom's Revenge.

They're similar, although the drop on Max is quite a bit larger.

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No, they're not similar. PR's first decent is of the likes to SFGAm's former ShockWave and SFNJ's Great American Scream Machine.

PMBO's first drop has an Expedition Ge-Force style to it.

Funny, when I rode Max in July, the first thing I thought of was "kinda like PR's first drop, only wilder".

I've been on both, within weeks of each other. They're not identical, but they ARE similar, at least in my opinion. YMMV.

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I've not visited Kennywood, but footage I have seen makes PR look like the track curves right to the bottom of the drop, and is still banked at the bottom. PMBO's curve is only the top section, the last half of the 1st drop is straight, and from an aerial view 90 degrees from the lift. Isnt PR 180 from the lift?

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They're even less similar than SFGAdv's GASM compared to SFMM's Viper.
PR's drop is curved more than 180 degrees--roughly 200 degrees from the lift. The two drops are totally different. They are only simmilar in that they are not straight drops and they both are made by Arrow (Remember that part of PR is still original to Steel Phantom by Arrow).
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If I remember correctly, Black Pool changed the banking of the first drop to be even steeper. I don't know what season that happend in however.
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Let's compare:

Pepsi Max - Tall, sharp twist, painful

Phantom's Revenge - About 100 feet shorter, more gradual twist, extremely enjoyable.

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I found nothing painful about PepsiMax... it's one of my favorite rides, actually.

The drops are pretty similar, the biggest differences being as already stated: PR goes 180 degrees, PepsiMax 90 degrees; PR is 165', Pepsi Max is over 200'.

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So Greg, would you say the drop on PMBO is closer to PR or to PKD's Anaconda which basically has a twist near the top, but is straight after that.

I personally like the drop on Anaconda better (of course PR is my preferred ride!)

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PMBO's drop struck me as in between those two examples. It seemed to take more of the drop twisting than Anaconda does, but as others have pointed out doesn't twist the whole way down like PR.

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*** This post was edited by GregLeg on 11/6/2002. ***

Can we all agree that a twisting drop is better than a straight on drop like on the Magnum or Steel Force.I think so.

Heatseeker said:

Can we all agree that a twisting drop is better than a straight on drop like on the Magnum or Steel Force.I think so.

Im not so sure which I like better...the twisting drops are neat for sure, I have ridden Phantoms Revenge's, and back when it was the steel phantom, but I think I prefer the straight drop...more visual sensation, I think.

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Heatseeker, no, we cannot. I am one for the straight drops especially on steelies. The only twisted steel first drop I really liked was Anaconda. On the other steelies (PR, Shockwave GAm, and GASM Gadv) I thought they were the worst part of the ride. On the B&Ms I merely tolerate them, but long for straight drops.

However, on woodies, I really *do* like the curved drops of say Viper (shallow curve) and ROAR-east (sharp curve). But I have dual-personalitiets whe it comes to stuff like that.
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jeremy
--who should be renamed Sybil...

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Pepsi Max's drop is similar to that of PR (it's bigger, of course). The actual "twisting" part is fun, but I really like the straight, non-banking drop of Magnum or Steel Force a whole lot better.

Pepsi Max is much like the real soft drink - once opened, it goes flat very quickly (that's not my line - I got it off an unofficial BPB website, but I think it's an accurate assessment of the coaster). Its 235 foot first hill is definitely the best part of the ride - overall, I thought it was a rather meandering, awkardly-paced coaster that looks much more intimidating than it actually is. The end of the ride doesn't leave much to be desired, either, and for a steel hypercoaster, doesn't offer as much airtime as I would have liked (I did ride in the front seat, which may have made a difference, maybe not).

I'm not aware of any modification to the first drop, Intamin Fan - I do know that one of the trains rear-ended a second train that was parked in the loading station, prompting several Arrow people to fly to Blackpool to investigate the incident. It was a big broo-ha-ha at the time but it didn't affect the coaster's popularity.

"Goes flat quickly" -- I LOVE that description.

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PR's is better and also its slower on the turn than B:PM.

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The Phantoms Revenge drop makes about a 180 degree turn as its dropping, it looks like Pepsi Max's is just 90 degrees, plus Pepsi Max is a lot bigger.

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PMBO's 1st drop was reprofiled in 1996 after the coaster opened in 1994! Its an extension of the section of track just after the summit of the lift, before the drop starts. This meant that the twist section of track had to become sharper and steeper. The turnaround was also reprofiled, again, making it bank sharper and curve tighter. The lift hill is 214 ft, not the 235 ft claimed. This is that publicity stunt gone wrong where the claimed height of the ride is measured from sea level, as the pleasure beach is built on the, er, beach!

The best curved drops IMO are on the Schwarzkopf travelling mult loopers, such as Magnum Force

Heatseeker said:

Can we all agree that a twisting drop is better than a straight on drop like on the Magnum or Steel Force.I think so.
Heck no! On the rare occasion that "better than" and "I like..." topics ae actually interesting enough to survive on this site, it's the disagreeing that makes it work. Holding different opinoins is a good thing, or it would be quite a boring world.