The "Why haven't they thought of this?" thread

Monday, August 14, 2000 7:18 AM
Ok, I have come up with a fun assignment to put your creative minds to work! I have found over the past couple of years that many of you have tried to conjure up some pretty creative, and albeit, wild ideas for new attractions and coasters for the amusement industry.

Now put yourself in the shoes of planning and development of your favorite park. Within reason (both financially and scientifically speaking,) describe your ultimate coaster or thrill ride, one that could be acheivable. One that you think that guests would flock to. (keep in mind, guests will probably not ride a 700 foot coaster that goes underwater and has 25 inversions!)

Here is my idea:
Now I have heard of coasters, particularly woodies, that will run one train forward facing, and the other facing backwards. Why couldn't something like a B&M coaster have different trains offering different elements, say one train being a stand-up and another train a floorless, running on the same circuit?

Let's hear your ideas!

Pittsburgh, PA

*** This post was edited by Seven-of-9 on 8/14/2000. ***
Monday, August 14, 2000 8:40 AM
Im not totally sure on how the stealth trains work but if im thinking right, they load you in a normal sit down position and then the train reclines. They should make the coaster so that it switches from sit down to laydown at various points of the ride, allowing more kinds of elements.
Monday, August 14, 2000 9:02 AM
Lay down coaster. A large backwards woodie through the forest with a hug finale helix and a loop.

Monday, August 14, 2000 9:29 AM
How about a train with half the train facign backwards, and half facing forwards. I know its simple but it'll be pretty cool ( Has this been done )? This way, there is no need for a racing coaster, you can have the trill of forward and backward feelings whenever.
Monday, August 14, 2000 9:30 AM
They have thought of this. In Japan there is a coaster built by Intamin that has one stand-up train and one sitdown train. I think it is at Expoland but i'm not sure.
Monday, August 14, 2000 10:01 AM
DLDude it was done back in the 40's. The Comet at Great Escape had trains like that when it still at Crystal Beach.
I'd like to see a coaster with two or three stations. Kinda like the way the cable cars are are BGW. It would have two functions. The first is to get people around the park quickly. Picture one at CP near the enterance. It could get you to Mean Strak in no time without the long walk. The next station could be near Magnum then back to the first.
At closing it could help empty the park as well. Everyone would get off at the station near the enterance. Then they just send the empty trains to the next stations.
Each track could be different so each would be a different ride.
I think it could be a reality.

Parks hit for 2000!
Monday, August 14, 2000 10:38 AM
I have had an idea for a dueling/double woodie for a while now. The new slant is that one of the 2 would be quite a bit larger than the other, also make it one continuous track, similar to The Racer @ K-wood, but 2 totally different tracks not side-by-side. The larger could be a 110-125 foot out & back, the smaller twister would be around 80. We all can agree that CCI makes fantastic coasters in both of these size ranges. The twister would cross over and under the out & back as well as itself.

Make 2 different stations, near each other, but not right on top of each other. If you get on the larger one, you end up in the station of the smaller. It would make for some funny situations when non-riders are waiting for the rest of their group to come out of one building, and they actually come out of the other.

Okay, here is the really fun part. Just think about the stink this would cause with enthusiasts... some would say that it is one coaster because of the continuous track. Others would say that it is two, because of the 2 different layouts. The total track length would be 8000+ so that would add fuel to the fire.

Theming: The Six Flags "obvious" choice would be something super hero & sidekick thing like "The Dynamic Duo: Batman & Robin" I would go for something with a little more flair, like "Don Quixote & Sancho Panza's Flights of Fancy."

Total cost would most likely not top 7-8 Mil. That's my idea.

Gotta ride 'em all!
Monday, August 14, 2000 10:41 AM
How about a heavily themed launched indoor inverted/suspended? It would be similar to Disaster Transport in that the ride would be completly indoor, yet like Spiderman in that there would be all the special effects (no 3-d though). The coaster would be themed to Top Gun (for PKD) and you would be in a high speed dog fight. All the walls would display a 'surround' shot of the actual fight as you would see the other planes flying around you as well as hear your 'navigator' shouting instructions to you. The end would be a killer downward double helix simulating being caught in a 'flat spin'. Of course you would pull out just in time to make a safe landing on the aircraft carrier.
Monday, August 14, 2000 2:47 PM
Man, this is kinda weird, but believe it or not, I have actually thought of that too! I know what you mean, an inverted at the bottom of the track, stand-up or sit down just above it. Although the inline twist might be out of the question. I don't think it would work for anything other than an invert. The g-forces would be reversed. Instead of pushing you down into the seat on a invert, the upper coaster would have the opposite. Pushing you into the harnesses. Other than that, the other elements would work.

Shawn Bailes
Webmaster of Coasters R Us
Monday, August 14, 2000 4:23 PM
My favorite is a dueling B&M Floorless/Inverted.

I've always thought of a flyby with the inverted cruising overhead the floorless would be UNFORGETTABLE.

How about an inverted loop inside of the floorless loop? Some cool stuff you could do...

-- By the way Jeremy I think what you are talking about is the TOGO ride Backnanger.
Cant remember the park, but it runs 2 trains: A stand-up train, and a backwards sitdown train.
I think the same layout as King Cobra at PKI. *** This post was edited by Millennium Force on 8/14/2000. ***
Monday, August 14, 2000 5:45 PM
Millennium Force
48.6mi. - CP
27.2mi. - SFO
3 MF rides:
3-2, 5-1, 9-2
Monday, August 14, 2000 6:37 PM
I would like to see somebody build a hyper inverted. That shuttle coaster idea sounds really cool. I often wondered why they couldn't put different kind of cars on the same track. That way I could maybe enjoy some of those stand up rides, and you could turn any B&M sitdown into a floorless.
Monday, August 14, 2000 8:41 PM
I had the same idea for an inverted. If your 120 ft in the air on an invertied it's preety scary. So what I was thinking in a 200 ft drop. Then 150 ft down it would in-line twist its way down the rest of the drop. Then a large loop then a smaller loop. Then a sharp Helix, a staightaway abotu 20 yards, inline twist, turn to an area of a small lake or pond then a drop into an underground tunnel 30 ft underwater, as you coasted trough the tunnel you would get water spalshed on you for the leaking effect. Then right out of the tunnel into a loop then a helix over water , in line twist, then trim brakes and turn into station. This is kind like the Top Gun at PGA but alot bigger and better. I think this would take the cake as best coaster in the world if it were built in 2001.

Todd B

Riddler's Revenge: The most underrated ride in the world!
Monday, August 14, 2000 8:42 PM
I think a trackless coaster would be an absolutely phenomenal ride. Using the technology started with LIMs and LSMs, the actual track of the ride would be made up of magnetic fields. The trains would of course be magnetized and follow these fields to navigate the ride's course. Yes, I understand that this is not economically (and probably not scientifically) feasible, but allow about 30 years for technology to improve and the possibility could be there. Just think of a ride where there would no track to look at. Inversions and bouts of airtime could would come unexpectedly, and even repeat riders would have no clue when the elements of the ride would happen. A great (if not impossible) idea that would create the ultimate coaster experience, IMO.
Tuesday, August 15, 2000 6:07 AM
i thought of 3. rides:

1. An inverted coaster through a old abandoned brick building. the insides of the building are hallowed out, leaving only the floors of each level and suporting beams. The entire ride would be a foot chooper and night riding we would be very cool.

2. a roller coaster where the track is to the side of you and the seats are raised so you can see better that an inverted, and have the experience of a floorless.

3. a new vertical ride, similar to a s&S turbo drop. Except, when you get to the top, the row of seats you are on ratchets out and rotates a full 90 degrees, so you are facing straight down at the ground.Then the turbo drop kicks in and you go flying straight down.

hey it could happen right?
Tuesday, August 15, 2000 11:08 AM
I have some:

-Two dueling/racing B&M's. Both would be around 130-150 ft high, one would be sit down looper, one would just be a speed coaster
-A hyper floorless coaster [or inverted] built over a swamp in Florida [or anywhere else that is warm with a water source]
-A Crystal Beach Cyclone clone or a mix of a twister/out and back woodies
Kennywood Park Unlimited
Tuesday, August 15, 2000 5:02 PM
For a mix of a twister and out-and-back woodie try Cyclone at Lakeside Park.
Parks for 2000: SFEG,IOA,MGM,WDW,PGA,SFMW,SCBB,Lakeside.
Tuesday, August 15, 2000 7:56 PM
I would live to have a vertical drop ride that takes you up about 325 feet and then turn you on your stomach so you are looking down at the building and then sends you plummetting back to Earth, that would be a rush.
Tuesday, August 15, 2000 9:30 PM
i would like to see a dueling/racer coaster one car being a steel coaster and the other a woodie
best of both worlds, the coasters would criss
cross each other with the steel inverting above
the woodie(on a camel hump) so the steel riders
are upside down looking at the woodie and the
woodie riders get the air time making the feel
like they will come out off there seats and hit the steel riders, sort of like the dueling dragons
when you think you will hit each other, there
would be more to coaster but thats what i would
look foward too.
Tuesday, August 15, 2000 10:24 PM
We all know that ther is inverted launch coasters and sit-down launch coasters, but I'm surprised B&M or Premiere Rides never thought of this. A stand-up LIM coaster that has 9 inversions. It can go from 0-60 mph. in 4 seconds. Think of how your legs would feel after being launched standing up. Call it the Crippler.


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