The Ultimate at Lightwater Valley, who's been?

Monday, December 17, 2007 6:32 PM
I've been curious about this coaster for years. There aren't alot of pictures out there that show what happens after the second lift.

I think Rollercoaster Tycoon had it as one of their installed coasters. How is it? I seem to remember a picture where it used to have shoulder harnesses.

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Tuesday, December 18, 2007 12:30 AM
I never been there but I think I have heard that the 2nd lift was basicly the end of the ride. I might be wrong though. And yes in my Roller Coaster (ISBN 0-7858-0885-X) book does show the ride with Shoulder Harnesses even though the ride didn't have loops, but according to the pictures at RCDB the ride now has lap bars instead.
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Tuesday, December 18, 2007 12:32 AM
Well hell, who cares about the loops. I mean, there are a bunch of coasters in Japan and Italy that do not invert, that have shoulder bars. And one in Angola, Indiana. I dunno, must be a sadist or something.

There are few coasters that you really need shoulder bars on.

Actually, did a little research.. thanks to youtube... the Ultimate actually has 2 lifts and a little one at the end... and darn they are slow!

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Tuesday, December 18, 2007 12:35 AM
Put it this way: the ride's name is a misnomer.
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Tuesday, December 18, 2007 12:39 AM
Ahh... so u been Moosh? I mean, it looks like the Beast on a good day, at best.
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Tuesday, December 18, 2007 12:53 AM
Try searching youtube:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aRXm1Xfbnn8

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Tuesday, December 18, 2007 1:17 AM
Wow, that looked bad... Looks like an in-house project where the park didn't really know how to build a coaster. Imagine the costs of having 2 big lift hills, 2 chains on the slow ramp at the top of the 2nd lift and the small one at the end. Plus, with only 2 trains, that thing must have no capacity.
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Tuesday, December 18, 2007 4:35 AM
It IS an inhouse built coaster!
This is one of the coasters i had no interest in riding after i saw a video of it in 1994. (It was one of the three big coasters in the UK in 94. The others: Shockwave and Big One).

Everything about the ride seems wrong and i have only heard bad things about it. The first part is said to be boring and the second part hurts like hell.

Recently there have been rumours that the park might get rid of it. It´s not like they have a lot to offer in the first place...

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Tuesday, December 18, 2007 4:55 AM
Ultimouch! more like!

Tricktrack, the other big coaster for '94 was Nemesis - the Ultimate opened in '91 with OTSRs. I last rode in '92 and the OTSRs were replaced by a double lap bar type restraint, one part restraining you at the waist, the other at the lap.

Both lifts are notoriously slow and the train is so long that the front half is well down the first drop before gravity takes over. It's a yawn-a-minute low to the ground ride to the second lift. The drop off of that is the best part of the ride but the swooping curves that follow aren't the most comfortable and most of the thrill comes from the feeling that you're going to die before the brake run. Despite the roughness I did kinda like the second half of the ride for the most part but it runs out of steam long before the end of the ride - probably so riders have time to stop moaning in pain ;)

I don't even want to imagine how it rides now...

-Jim :)

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Tuesday, December 18, 2007 5:06 AM
^Thanks for the correction, Invy. I bought this "1994 year of the rollercoaster"-Video in Blackpoolback then and the Ultimate was featured in it. Shame on me for forgetting Nemesis, though!
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Tuesday, December 18, 2007 10:08 AM
No worries - I bought a video in Blackpool that says the Big One is 235 feet high ;)
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Tuesday, December 18, 2007 10:39 AM
...above sea level, Jim. Of course with global warming it's 234.75 feet high now ;-)
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Tuesday, December 18, 2007 10:55 AM
Are you sure it's not doing a Magnum? ;)

Only in Blackpool do coasters hover 26' above the ground :) (or sea lol)

*** Edited 12/18/2007 3:57:42 PM UTC by invy*** *** Edited 12/18/2007 3:58:19 PM UTC by invy***

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Tuesday, December 18, 2007 11:11 AM
I remember from articles in ACE News that the initial response to the Ultimate was that the first half of the ride, up to the second lift, was not much to write home about, but from the sound of it, after the second lift, all hell broke loose.

What I am reading now suggests that either the original correspondent had pretty low standards, or the (now removed) shoulder bars were beating him senseless in the second half of the ride.

For what it's worth, the Ultimate is the first ride I ever heard of from which shoulder bars were *removed*.

--Dave Althoff, Jr.

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Tuesday, December 18, 2007 11:18 AM
Ultimate loses OSTRs, Revolution gains them. Somewhere the coaster gods are laughing.
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Tuesday, December 18, 2007 11:24 AM

RideMan said:


What I am reading now suggests that either the original correspondent had pretty low standards, or the (now removed) shoulder bars were beating him senseless in the second half of the ride.


Without ever having ridden the coaster, I'm going to guess that's likely the case.

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Tuesday, December 18, 2007 11:41 AM
Force Dynamics did the work on the ride, train were done in house, and later modifed. I did get to ride it in 96 and it had the t bars and the old trains were sitting next to the first lift. The ride was ok, first half was boring second half was fun, it did lose steam toward the end but the switch back were fun.
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Tuesday, December 18, 2007 1:22 PM
I rode it 2002 and like others here have mentioned, I thought the first half was pretty dull. But the the run back from the second lift hill was pretty wild. As it nears the station it does run out of steam and a third lift chain is needed to bring it back into the station. There was no brake run to stop the train, it just engages the final lift. The only brakes are in the station. When I rode it had the oddly shaped t-bar restraints shown in the link below. It wasn't all that smooth, but I didn't find it painful. I thought it was kind of funky and fun.

http://www.rcdb.com/ig779.htm?picture=14

*** Edited 12/18/2007 6:24:07 PM UTC by Jeffrey Seifert***

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Tuesday, December 18, 2007 1:37 PM
If you read the stats on RCDB, all the companies involved sound like ones you'd hear mentioned in a cartoon, as if Wile E. Coyote or maybe even peter Griffin were involved. I dunno, looks like a really long mine train to me.
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Tuesday, December 18, 2007 6:50 PM

RideMan said:
For what it's worth, the Ultimate is the first ride I ever heard of from which shoulder bars were *removed*.

Do the Premier rides not count? or is there a reason I am overlooking about those?

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