The True Flying Coaster

Tuesday, April 17, 2001 1:51 PM
Rides like stealth aren't really "flying coasters" to me. I think of flying as airtime, or about to fall out of the train! I think the true flying coasters are Oblivion, G-5, and Millennium Force. All because on their first drops you are completely out of your seat, especially MF with its limited restraint! What do you think real "flying coasters" are?

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Wood- 1.The Beast
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Tuesday, April 17, 2001 1:55 PM
I think real "flying coasters" are Stealth and X-Flight & Batwing...

Because it simulates your flight when the coaster flips over and you have that sensation of flight laying down and staring straight ahead like superman or looking straight down at the ground!!

In other words: The name fits the key.
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Tuesday, April 17, 2001 2:15 PM

Dawg Byte said:
"I think real "flying coasters" are Stealth and X-Flight & Batwing...

Because it simulates your flight when the coaster flips over and you have that sensation of flight laying down and staring straight ahead like superman or looking straight down at the ground!!

In other words: The name fits the key."


Agree with you on this one!

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Coasters- a little slice of heaven
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Tuesday, April 17, 2001 3:20 PM
Yeah, I actually felt like I was flying on Stealth. What a cool coaster!
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Parks For 2001: PKD, BGW, Funtown USA
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Tuesday, April 17, 2001 3:30 PM
I'd say it would be a mixture of (though I know it's almost imposible) flying, suspended, and maybe verticle coasters.
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Tuesday, April 17, 2001 3:31 PM
How would you define "flying"??? When you FLY through the air in a jet, are you not sitting down?

Stealth isn't comfortable and is rather rough. I felt more like I was hanging. Coasters that hang from the track provide the feeling that one is hurling through the air---a.k.a. "flying".

So what I guess I'm saying is this....to say that a coaster is a flying coaster, it needs to be smooth enough, and designed in such a way, that the rider forgets that they are connected with the ground. Bumps take away from that. And the riding position has nothing to do with it.

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Decisions determine destiny; Destiny determines decisions. *** This post was edited by janfrederick on 4/17/2001. ***
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Tuesday, April 17, 2001 3:33 PM
I actually thought Stealth was smooth. I think of "flying" as laying on my stomach, with my arms stretched out, soaring through the air. That is what Stealth gave me.
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Parks For 2001: PKD, BGW, Funtown USA
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Tuesday, April 17, 2001 4:01 PM

janfrederick said:
"How would you define "flying"??? When you FLY through the air in a jet, are you not sitting down?"


Actually, you don't FLY through the air, the plane does. You're sitting inside. I think it's safe to say that the typical "flying" position is stomach down, arms outstretched. That is your position on the "flying" coasters.
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Tuesday, April 17, 2001 4:07 PM
Ah...you mean like a bird?

I still think it has everything to do with smoothness and visual cues (i.e. seeing the track beneath your feet), and very little to do with riding position.

Perhaps if those rides were smooth, I'd be singing a different tune (no pun intended...well...maybe just a little bit ;) )

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Decisions determine destiny; Destiny determines decisions.
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Tuesday, April 17, 2001 4:07 PM
i think when people say flying, they mean flying like a bird not in an airplane. whats so great about flying in a 747 for 6 hours. only if it was 6 hours of stealth. now that would be fun

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Tuesday, April 17, 2001 4:15 PM
I was merely making a point about a bias towards the riding position. I know "flying" in a 747 doesn't feel like it. You have the sensation that you are on level ground. Only during take-off or landing do you get the notion of something other than that.

All I'm saying is that for me, a flying coaster is one in which you feel like you are being whisked through the air. Whether in the manner of a bird, scrap of paper, ultralight, whatever....it's really all about the ride...not how your body is positioned.

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Decisions determine destiny; Destiny determines decisions. *** This post was edited by janfrederick on 4/17/2001. ***
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Tuesday, April 17, 2001 4:19 PM
And don't forget descending in a plane, you actually feel little pops of negative g's!

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Parks For 2001: PKD, BGW, Funtown USA
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Tuesday, April 17, 2001 4:24 PM
Id have to say that a true flying coaster would be what almost all coaster designers have been trying to do for years and that is give man the feeling of free flight like a bird I must say B&M have come the closest with their open air coaster cars like the floorless coaster trains and can't wait to see what they do with this new flying model "SW5" at alton towers

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Go SFMM
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Tuesday, April 17, 2001 5:08 PM
So Vekoma has set the Bar as the current definition of 'Flying' Coaster and like you all, I cant wait to see what B&M call 'Flying'!

I'm just wondering if B&M and John Wardley were ticked off that Vekoma beat them to a production model ... as all the literature on SW5 seems to indicate it was going to be built before Oblivion.

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If Lifes a Rollercoaster, I want a Flawless
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Tuesday, April 17, 2001 6:56 PM
The only reasonn SW5 is a flyer is cos the long awaited Alton Towers woodie didn't get planning permission!

-Dave
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Wednesday, April 18, 2001 9:10 AM

The Legend said:
"So Vekoma has set the Bar as the current definition of 'Flying' Coaster and like you all, I cant wait to see what B&M call 'Flying'!


They may call it "flying" based on the riding position...but It doesn't really feel like it to me. B&M comes a lot closer by virtue of design and execution.

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Decisions determine destiny; Destiny determines decisions.
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Wednesday, April 18, 2001 9:25 AM
this is kinda on the subject
I know SW5 is the new B&M flying coaster, and SW4 was Oblivion. I assume SW3 was Nemesis, not sure though. What were the other "Secret Weapons?"
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Wednesday, April 18, 2001 9:32 AM
Actually, the original flying coaster are those like the Kangaroo at Kennywood. It's the only remaining ride like it anywhere. Photos and a caption from the historical sign (which depicts this fact) can be seen at kennywood.coasterbuzz.com


*** This post was edited by Neil on 4/18/2001. ***
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Wednesday, April 18, 2001 9:38 AM
I see what XL-Force is saying. When I ride a coaster like Superman or Magnum, I feel more of a feeling of flight than on any inverted coaster. Being able to reach for the sky with only a very small train around you is a great free-flight sensation. I have never been on any Dutchmen so I can't speak for them, but I think Intamin's unconfining hypercoaster trains give more of a flight sensation than B&M or Vekoma inverteds.

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E.J.
Webmaster: Theme Park New England
http://tpne.8m.com
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Wednesday, April 18, 2001 10:00 AM
If you're interested in the Alton Towers secret weapons, look here:
http://www.john-wardley.demon.co.uk/

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Jeff
Webmaster/Admin - CoasterBuzz.com
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