The Ghost with the most on the West Coast, refurbed from pillar to post...

^^ Incorrect. I made a statement that I wasn't sure how I'd feel about those trains on that coaster. Then I made the statement that Wildcat, a coaster that switched from PTC to MF trains, sucks (In My Opinion), which absolutely DOES have SOMETHING to do with Ghostrider, which is also getting the same trains. I don't feel that MF trains provide the same airtime as PTC trains.

I never said anything about the trains beating up the structure or any of the other crap that it seems people are hung up on. I'm sure this will help the ride be nice and smooth and ridable. All I said was that I wasn't sure how I felt about it (Oh, you know, because, hey, I HAVEN'T FREAKING RIDDEN IT YET TO FORM AN OPINION), and that a wooden coaster that did have those trains put on after PTCs was something that I didn't like.

That you, Jeff, and others have issues comprehending what the sentence "I'm not sure how I feel...but this somewhat similar situation sucks" means, quite frankly, isn't my problem. At lest one other person seems to have gotten that.

Can't speak too much about "Mildcat", but supposedly Gwazi went under the knife pretty extensively before getting the MFlyers. I know I loved the original HP 'Cat even after it had gotten a few years on it, but I didn't get on it near the end of its PTC life. I also loved the original Gwazi, and thought it ran pretty well despite what I considered lackluster maintenance. Near the end of its time with PTCs, it had gotten pretty awful....but when it came back online, it was certainly no less awful.

I hope the Ghostrider rehab goes wonderfully, and that the ride is restored to the greatness it once possessed. My expectations are somewhat tempered by my personal experience on rides that have undergone the PTC-> MF conversion....but hope does spring eternal.

"My expectations are somewhat tempered..."

So, you're not sure how you feel and are waiting to ride to form an opinion, amirite?

^Unless it's Gravity Group, then I just plunge headlong into a lovefest immediately after the announcement... ;~P

Sorry, no, you're required to ride it before you can form an opinion.

Tekwardo said:

That you, Jeff, and others have issues comprehending what the sentence "I'm not sure how I feel...but this somewhat similar situation sucks" means, quite frankly, isn't my problem.

Why is it always someone else's comprehension problem if there is disagreement? Yeah, I get what you said about what you feel, and when questioned about it you, defended that position with "but Wildcat and Gwazi." Where did you expect the conversation to go?

^ Exactly.

That's the thing. There was no disagreement. I stated that I wasn't sure how *I* felt, and that *I* thought Wildcat sucked. I don't think anyone here is qualified to speak on my behalf about what I may or may not feel in a few months until I ride the ride, everyone seems to think Wildcat sucks, but everyone seems to want to tell me how factual or illogical it is for me to make a comment that Ghostrider is going to suck because of wildcat, when I didn't say that. The implication was that I hope it didn't suck like wildcat but that I *gasp* will wait to ride to make a decision on my opinion.

I don't understand how you make the leap that because Wildcat sucks, this will suck.

I never said that Ghostrider would suck simply because Wildcat sucks. You put words in my mouth. I admitted some trepidation that because Wildcat, which switched over to MF trains, and (then later in the thread) Gwazi had those trains put on, and, yes, I believe Gator is right that Gwazi did have extensive work done to it, that I wasn't sure how I felt about that. Neither of those coasters seemed to be raved about, in fact I've heard more people complain more about the addition of MF trains to those coasters in particular.

So you're saying they should keep those PTC trains on the ride? Because that worked out so well the first time?

No. I said that I said that I had some trepidation about the trains for the reasons I listed above. I personally liked the PTC trains on the ride. I don't have to deal with the maintenance issues that they may cause, but that is hardly the point. If this is going to save them money in the long run, fine. That doesn't mean that the ride has to remain one of my favorites.

... or just wait until the ride is finished, then ride it, then form an opinion?

Well, that's kind of exactly what I said...

Wildcat has absolutely NOTHING to do with Ghost Rider.

Yes, it does in this case, as far as my opinion goes.

Honestly, Vater had no issues understanding what I was saying, and it seems neither did Gator. Everyone else is hung up on things I never said.

So, yes, when people put words in my mouth, disagree with stuff I never said nor implied, start talking about maintenance, and tell me I should ride the ride before having an opinion, I have to wonder if they comprehended what was said when other people didn't seem to have that problem.

Yikes... lol

I need more coffee obviously.

On another note, those are some seriously nice looking trains. And I can't wait to see how the 'no MCBR' thing works out.

Everyone gets what you said, Tek... and the response has honestly been more about putting your fears at ease than calling you a stupid poopyhead who is wrong. If you don't want your opinions or feelings challenged, you could just say, "Whatever, I don't care if you don't agree with me or see my point." Just don't make it a character flaw on the part of everyone else.

How is me not even stating an opinion being afraid that my opinion is challenged? Saying what equates to "Meh, I hope this doesn't happen since it kinda happened before, but I'll wait and see how I feel" and being told "It's not logical for you to think that way" is kind of insulting. I think that is someone else's flaw, not mine. YMMV.

Seriously. Just stop. I understood everything you said, and I just don't agree with any of it, period. That has nothing to do with my comprehensive skills. Give me a break.

Here you go, John!!

Thank You!!!

On the subject of Wildcat, apparently not everyone thinks that it sucks. I myself am neutral but found it interesting that this past Sunday at Hershey, Wildcat had a line whereas Skyrush, Stormrunner and Fahrenheit were walk-ons. For Fahrenheit with a 12-rider capacity to be a walk-on was unusual to say the least. Why Wildcat was more popular than the more extreme rides or even Lightning Racer is a mystery.

Thanks for sharing that, Bobbie. I don't think Wildcat sucks. It used to be much better, but I still like it. I think of the ride like someone would think of their elderly pet. You accept the issues and problems, and love it for the joy it has given you throughout your life so far, and you appreciate it for what it can offer you now.

I'm not wanting to argue or anything. I just thought I would share my poetic comparison coasters and old pets.

Based only on my experience with Wildcat, I see the concern. Wildcat was one of my favorite wooden coasters before MillFlyer trains, and now it is one of the worst. But, I am of the minority in saying that I really dislike the MillFlyer trains. I have to ride them defensively in order to not leave in pain. And 99% of the problem is that huge heavy lap bar.

Tekwardo said:

There is past precedence that changing to those trains has made a ride boring to me.

Wow I don't think, apart from kiddie coasters, that I would classify and coaster I've ever been on as "boring." Lot's of other adjectives could be used to describe different rides for me, but *boring* has never been one of them. If you're that bored don't ride it. Do some skydiving if you're that bored. Or some cliff jumping. What do you want?

And everyone else needs to stop calling them "milf" trains right now. It's just wrong. Write the frickin name out, it takes two extra seconds.

For the record, I found my one ride on Judge Roy Scream a bore.

But seriously, semantics, folks. Why must everything in this community be taken so literally? Never mind, I know the answer to that.

I agree on the Milf thing, but that's only because I find it contrived and cringe-worthy, much like Millie, Maggie, Timmie *shudder*, etc...

PTC trains SUCK! Millennium Flyers (spelled out, correctly even, just for you bjames!) SUCK! If it's not getting Timberliners, it SUCKS! 😎😁😉

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