the Cornball phenomenom

Most people would agree that IB's Cornball Express is better than the bigger woodie in the park, Hoosier Hurricane.

Can you think of another instance at a park where the little wooden or steel coaster is better than its bigger counterpart?

Well, let me think, all IMO of course

Blue Streak > Mean Squeak

Maggie (not that its all that little) > Millie

Beast > SOB

SFWOA Big Dipper > damn near everything else in the park

I could go on. So yeah, it happens all the time.

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SFGAm - Viper is one of my favorites, American Eagle is not.

PC:

IMO The Carolina Goldrusher is better than thunder road.

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Cyclops vs. Zeus @ BigChief Go cart and Coaster World!

Gotta go against ya there IGGY i thought they were both awesome the deal is the only good part of Cyclops was teh last drop, Zeus is nonstop. As for this question Raven is better then the Legend IMHO.
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MagnumForce, really glad you said it first...Raven! Of course, we'll have to give Legend another try with the new PTCs...ravenguy98 is right about Blue Strak AND Beast, IMO, but I gotta give a "small" nod to Millie, if only because of the trims entering Maggie's helix...riding without those trims made Maggie a "nudge" better for me. As for Big Dipper, it would be dishonest to say I "prefer" it over the Villain, but I can say I LOVED both of 'em.

Now, for my addition, and I don't even expect to be flamed...this time! ThunderHawk beats Herc by about 6 spins to one, based solely on my only visit to the park...now for the controversy...I did *slightly* prefer Phoenix over Twister...

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Gator - I don't think that's a cotroversy at all. I *overwhelmingly* prefer Phoenix over Twister.

I will, however, disagree with Raven. I'll take The Legend any day. No contest.

The Twister/Phoenix one is a tough one to call. Yes, the airtime was just crazy on Phoenix and it is definitely a Top 10 ride in my book.... but, for some reason, I found myself just completely blown away (pun intended) by Twister. The ride seems to have speed everywhere, even coming off the top of each chain lift. The laterals and g-forces through the double helix are severely intense and the whole ride is just an amazing experience. So, put me on the short list of people that prefers Twister over Phoenix.

To pick another set of smaller being better than bigger, I'll take Kennywood's Jack Rabbit over the Thunderbolt any day. What? Am I insane? Well, that's possible.... but seriously, T-bolt just doesn't do much for me.

ProgRay

I agree with gator, I think the PTC's will greatly improve Legend as ai don't think you will get thrown around quite so mistake. Make no bones abotu it though even though Raeven does beat out Legend for me they are still one and two on my list with The Beast a close third.
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I'll take ROAR over Two-Face @ SFA if we're allowed so-called 'apples and oranges' comparisons.
Definitely FIRE DRAGON over ihc.
Cyclops over Zeus
Medusa East over GASM-II
Viper over American Eagle
Screamin Eagle over BOSS
Blue Streak over Pip Squeak
etc....

But there is NO WAY you're going to get me to say Raven over The Legend...NO WAY...NO DAY!
lata,
jeremy
--Mr. Freeze: The Coolest Coaster on Earth!

So what you're trying to say is that by taming down a ride that's a #1 for many people based on intensity (which includes being thrown around) that it's actually going to be an improvement?

I hate to break it to you but people who didn't like Legend before are probably not going to like it that much more with PTCs and those of us who already loved it are more than a little concerned about how it's going to run with the new trains.

People who prefer Raven over Legend like rides with airtime as opposed to rides with laterals and the "out of control" sensation. PTCs are not going to make the laterals go away but they might buffer them down just enough to make the coaster mortal. I've gone on record before as saying I think it was a mistake because I just don't see how it's going to make the ride *more* insane and I *can* see how it could make it more tame.

As far as the main subject goes though: Many, many rides are like this in my experience. Just out of the ones that haven't been listed yet I could add:

- Riverside Cyclone over SROS @ SFNE. Controversial? Sure, but I'm a twister fan and the Riverside is one of the best and out of control coasters ever designed. SFNE might not have much going for it in guest services but these two are absolute stormers with the Cyclone nudging Supes in my book.

- The Wildcat @ HP over the Lightning Racer. Both are twisters but the Wildcat is a much more "nasty" ride. It throws you around, rips you out of your seat and leaves you wanting more while the LR is a much more tame ride.

- The Wild Beast over the Mighty Canadian Minebuster @ PCW. There was a point in time before all the reprofiles and train changes that the Minebuster was amazing. That time is now past and the often slow and rampy Minebuster can't hold a candle to the more powerful Wild Beast.

- Zach's Zoomer over Shivering Timbers. Nah, just kidding :-)
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Colin W. said:
People who prefer Raven over Legend like rides with airtime as opposed to rides with laterals and the "out of control" sensation.

I like your reasoning (about how the PTCs will affect Legend), but I prefer Raven because it has more of everything, while Legend just seems to be only laterals. I do really like Legend, don't get me wrong, but I think that the layout of Raven is far superior, and more fun. Personal preference, obviously.

OK .. as for litter brother liked over bigger brother, I'll say that I like Demon more than Shockwave at Six Flags Great America. You can also chalk me up as another who prefers Viper over Eagle. Although when the Eagle brakes are turned down, it's a tough call.

Cam

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Don't get me wrong, I still PLAN on Legend throwing me around, and I will enjoy it as much as ever...I liked Twister a BUNCH too. But, tell me I have one hour to ride as much as I like, and only one coaster, I'll take the airtime machines when it comes to wood. And Raven, IMO, delivers more air. Legend has plenty of laterals, nice drops, etc. The PTC's, IMO, will "track" better and provide a more "comfortable" ride...hopefully reduce Jeff H's workload, too...

On my visit Wildcat was running much better than BD at Lake Componce. Little rough but delievered where it looked like it should. BD did not.

Chuck, reserving judgment till he rides BD again.

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Charles Nungester
167 coasters asn hopes to be over 200 by the end of 2002

Count me as a Legend and Raven lover. Really the favorite of the two is the one I am on.!

In my personal taste I am worried that the PTC's will take away from what made the ride exciting to me. I like to be tossed and dividers and them ratchets are painful.

That Ratchet of PTC's Hits almost exactly the same place on the thigh that the G trains do. You really think thats going to change?.

Chuck, possitive he will still like Legend, after all Jeff says it will be faster as the PTC's are much heavier.

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Charles Nungester
167 coasters asn hopes to be over 200 by the end of 2002

Got another one, Demon over Shockwave at SFGAM but they are both a lot of fun.

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Chad said:
Most people would agree that IB's Cornball Express is better than the bigger woodie in the park, Hoosier Hurricane.

One HUGE reason Cornball is so fun it BUZZ BARS!
Chuck, awaiting to see how HH runs with all the trackwork it is getting :) Also can't wait to ride LCOSM

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Charles Nungester
167 coasters asn hopes to be over 200 by the end of 2002

Right on Iggy! Cyclops would kill Zues in an instant in a fight to the death, if they only were able to tear eachother apart by using negative Gs.

At SFGAm, Viper is 10 times better than American Eagle, Demon is 5 times better than Shockwave. In comparisions of not-quite the same type of coasters, Batman is way better than Raging Bull.

At BGT, with another not-quite the same type of coasters, depending on the kind of ride you're looking for, Scorpion can be as good, if not better than Kumba from my experience. It depends if you want a bit of roughness or silky smooth.

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