I think a good analogy could be like this; Someone asks you how Band X was live. "Well, they were great and played a lot of my favorite songs and played two encores, BUT, my ears rang for four-hours after the show with earplugs in, the club was packed to capacity and you couldn't move, every other person was smoking cigarettes in a non-ventilated room, and some jerk decided to block my view to stage-center by taking three-hundred overhead pictures of the band with his digital camera." [the last example really happened to me at a recent concert].
I'll probably ride Voyage more than Toro or Hades over the next few years. The real reason I'll likely get more future laps on Voyage is that it's located in the more enjoyable PARK...if the rides were all switched up, I'd probably end up going back to the better PARK.
It's hardly *wrong* to rate however you choose to rate. For myself, I prefer to TRY to separate the RIDE experience from the park experience.
But Nitro's a dud under either method... ;)
But Nitro's a dud under either method... ;)
It's better than Silver Star...!
Magic Springs and X-Coaster are definitely worth a visit.
Tom, while this may be true for some people, it probably isn't true for all. El Toro is an amazing ride--one of the best coaster rides I've had all year--but it just isn't enough--IMO--to beat Voyage (at least for me). But, to each his own.
I used to think more highly of Six Flags Great Adventure, but they've just dropped the ball too much. Yes, they have made some good improvements, but they have definitely dropped the ball. If they would run at least as good as SFGAm (which IS a Six Flags park), then I might complain less.
I did not say number one I stated number two. I honestly felt el-toro should have had the number two spot underneath voyage and i feel that because its in a six flags park it got a lower rating just because its in a six flags park.
I never stated anything about it being better then voyage.
The reason El Toro doesn't rank higher has nothing to do with the park its in. While the ride does offer moments of extreme air the layout has its flaws, specifically the long rampy hill on the first return run and the fact that the train loses all of its momentum travering the figure-8 and feels as if its crawling into the final brakes.
Compare that to Voyage, which hasn't a single dull spot and reaches its fastest speed in the station tunnel, right near the end of the ride.
I don't fault anyone for liking El Toro and even voting it as their favorite...but its no Voyage ;)
All I am saying is that I feel el -toro should have been in the number 2 spot. I also feel that it didnt get that number 2 spot because people didnt like the park that it was in.
This has nothing to do with voyage wich if you notice is in the number 1 spot.
I honestly felt el-toro should have had the number two spot underneath voyage and i feel that because its in a six flags park it got a lower rating just because its in a six flags park.
The park sucks so hard I never even bothered to visit this year and I only live 3 hours away.
Of course Mitch's poll isn't affected by *volume* of riders, but I'm thinking the ride's rank could have been impacted either positively or negatively by people who are so turned off by the place they didn't even bother. Voyage had 171 riders and El Toro had 158, in a location with a much higher density of population in a park that has 3 times the attendance of HW.
Not saying this either hurt or helped El Toro but it would have been interesting to see how people vote as more people ride it. The late opening probably had something to do with it, too.
Mamoosh said:I never said you made that claim, Tom. I am simply stating my opinion that the ranking of El Toro has nothing to do with the park and everything to do with the problems in the ride's layout, as previously stated.
I think for YOU, and for apparently MOST of the others here, that the park Toro (as an example of a *trend*) is located in isn't an issue at all. For some others, apparently it does have *some* impact. The impact of the park may be minimal, it's clearly not non-existent.
Not fault-finding (with anyone's viewpoints or feelings), just fact-finding... :)
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When it works correctly, it works flawlessly. But when it didn't, sometimes it would get stuck towards the top, and then would move after a short period. I'm guessing there was some kind of blocking issue (I'm having the same issue in No Limits, but my coaster is free and has no lines:)).
There were two major breakdowns while we were in line as well, one involved the lift and the second the advance to the lift. It shouldn't have been that difficult, but unlike on Millennium Force, somehow they didn't get it right this time.
Does this mean if Six Flags provides its guests with fantastic sex, people would like its parks a whole lot more? :)
Why do I get the feeling that Six Flags's idea of "fantastic sex" would be vastly different from my own.
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