Suspended restraints question

Sunday, December 23, 2001 2:19 PM
Why don't suspendeds have lap bars;I mean they don't go upside down and your not jerking hard enough to fall out I think.

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Sunday, December 23, 2001 2:29 PM
Because isn't there a lot of lateral G's being pulled and if ther was no OTSRs it would create back/neck problems?
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Sunday, December 23, 2001 2:31 PM
Well think about it, look at the technology and time era back then. I mean, if Arrow had the technology, or want to make their coaster's go upside down with just a lap bar in the 80's than don't you think they would've put them on suspended's too? Yes we did have only lapbars on Shchahatacoff(Haha, I am amused) coasters, but we didnt on Arrow's. Im sure if they wanted to, they would've. But who knows, it could've gone way deeper than that...

.-Who needs to learn how to spell Schartzkauff..(Did I do it this time?)
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Sunday, December 23, 2001 2:32 PM
Nope. Actaully, in theory, a suspended coaster pulls *0* lateral G's. What it comes down to is typical lazy Arrow engineering. Other than the running gear, the suspended train is identical to the looping train.
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Sunday, December 23, 2001 2:33 PM
Ok thanks.

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Sunday, December 23, 2001 7:57 PM
i think it is becuase it is easyer to load the trains that way and  why have a retricting lapbar on a not so intense ride? the harnest give alot of freedom so it really dosnet matter.
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Sunday, December 23, 2001 8:35 PM
The answer probably lies in Arrow's lazyness at the time.  The interesting questing might be this:  It is 100% fact that Anton Shwarzkopf was going to build the Big Bad Wolf (his own design) and even started pouring footers before going bankrupt.  He folded, and Arrow built theirs.  I wonder if Anton would have used lapbars only like he did on almost all his coasters.   Anyone have any solid evidence either way?
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Monday, December 24, 2001 9:15 AM
The reason is because the suspended coasterr was origionally intended to go upside down.  they found out that it would have too much stress on the trains so they decided not to make the inversions.  They didnt want to change the whole design of the trains.  That is what Iread a while ago on some sight, but I forget where.
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Monday, December 24, 2001 9:27 AM
Also part of it is maintenance(sp?) because think about it, would it be easier for a mechanic to fix OSTR's on a suspended train, or have to remove the bottom plating of the car and dig up there to fix a lap bar?
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Monday, December 24, 2001 7:19 PM
Anton would have used lap bars. Anton DID use lap bars, in fact, but the ride was never completed. I have a photograph of a Flugbahn car here which appears to be a 7-row 14-passenger car with apparently at least two cars per train. I can't present the photo until at least Wednesday; there is a chance that it might be depicted on the Anton Schwarzkopf coaster page, whose URL escapes me at the moment...

--Dave Althoff, Jr.
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Monday, December 24, 2001 7:24 PM
Yeah, the bat did originally have a corkscrew. 
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Tuesday, December 25, 2001 1:17 PM
Well, Ravenguy, it was PLANNED to, but never happened.  The working scale model had one, but the full blown prototype was without one (as was the Bat).
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Tuesday, December 25, 2001 1:22 PM
Eh, sorry, i meant that the corkscrew was planned, and even built into the model.  Sorry.  For anyone looking for stuff on the bat there was a really good article in Rollercoaster! a few years back.  Really good reading.
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Tuesday, December 25, 2001 8:33 PM
I think that the crowd back then was a little wary of riding coasters with minimal restraints. Why do you think it took paramount so long to revamp Flight of Fear?

*** This post was edited by Steven B. on 12/26/2001. ***

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Wednesday, December 26, 2001 3:54 AM
Found that Schwarzkopf link:

schwarzkopf.coaster.net

Go to "unrealized projects" to see the Flugbahn pictures. Or just click here.

--Dave Althoff, Jr.

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