Tuesday, April 30, 2002 8:11 AM

Has anyone here been on this coaster yet? Is it worth a trip to SFOG? How does it compare do other B&M'S?

Also, did anyone catch the final price tag on this ride?

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Tuesday, April 30, 2002 8:19 AM
I have ridden it, and it's definetly worth it! It is smooth and fast, and the pretzel loop is awesome!!!
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Tuesday, April 30, 2002 8:25 AM
The pretzel loop is certainly by FAR the most intense element on any Beemer....the *pull* in the back of the train was "near-blackout" force. The only coasters that I've been on that pulled that level of g-forces were the Big-G, and Schwarzkopfs. So disorienting I left my keys in the station after getting off the coaster....WOW! The ride was a *bit* short, but the flying sensation was GREATLY enhanced by the close ground clearances...

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Tuesday, April 30, 2002 8:37 AM
What is the Big-G? I take it the Pretzel Loop feels much more G Filled than the Inclined Loop on their Standups?

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Tuesday, April 30, 2002 8:38 AM

sorry, Goliath....I get sorta caught up sometimes....

Yes, way more, the only Beemer of note (in terms of high-G forces) I haven't ridden in the US is Raging Bull, and Nitro's helix WAS the most forceful moment I've had on a B&M...not even comparable.....

*** This post was edited by rollergator on 4/30/2002. ***

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Tuesday, April 30, 2002 8:40 AM

Understandable. I have not been on Goliath or Titan, but they both look very intense.

Does it at any time on Superman feel like you are going to fall out of the restraints? That would add to the thrill if it does!

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Tuesday, April 30, 2002 8:41 AM
I have been on Raging Bull. It is one intense ride but I will agree Nitro's Helix is one of the most intense elements I have felt as well. The Horseshoe turn is really cool, particulary in placement

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Tuesday, April 30, 2002 9:26 AM

Let's see, Superman has 6 inversions?

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Tuesday, April 30, 2002 9:45 AM

rollergator--

Don't expect any intense positive G's on Raging Bull...there just aren't any. It's got more airtime than you can shake a stick at though. :)

I agree that the pretzel loop is by far the most intense thing B&M has done to date. It's a "good" intense too, unlike the vertical loop on Vekoma Dutchman. I just don't like that sensation much on the Vekoma's, but on SUF it works very well.

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Tuesday, April 30, 2002 9:59 AM

Raging Bull does have alot of airtime, in fact it's airtime galore(Except for Apollo's Chariot though

Is it just me or are their alot of problems with Vekoma rides lately(Super Boomerangs getting stuck, Rocky inversions)

I take it a ride on X-Flight isnt much better?

Nitro has alot of airtime as well, but then again it has alot of great everything!

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Tuesday, April 30, 2002 10:28 AM
Parks that install B&Ms don't usually announce their prices, but most B&M coasters seem to hover around $15 million, with monumental installations like Alpengeist and Nitro seeming to cost closer to $20 million. I assume that Superman, being a fairly straightforward installation (not requiring any excavation like AIR) cost about $15 million. Purely speculation, though...
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Tuesday, April 30, 2002 11:30 AM

Superman only has 2 inversions: The pretzel loop, and a barrel roll.

Everyone is correct about the intensity of the pretzel loop. It's breathtaking from any seat, and it's even better in the back row. The proximity to the ground is also very thrilling.

You never feel like you're going to fall out of the ride. It's a very comfortable and secure harness.

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Tuesday, April 30, 2002 12:56 PM
It is definitely worth going to SFOG to ride it. It is the best flying coaster I've ridden and I've rode them all! It is so smooth and you don't have to ride up on your back like Vekomas. Make sure if you go to get there early and make it your first ride or its a long wait. Ajrides. B&MRULES!!!!!
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Tuesday, April 30, 2002 1:13 PM

Yes, S:UF has 2 inversions, but SFOG's radio commercials say 8...

Anyway, Superman still does not fail to amaze me each new ride. The entire coaster is fun and smooth, and the Pretzel Loop sensation is so intense, most people lose their screams at the bottom.

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Tuesday, April 30, 2002 3:52 PM

Agreed astrosgp... you do seem to hear silence at the bottom of the pretzel..

To answer a previous question... you in NO way feel like you're gonna fall out of the restraints. Read Homey G's Trip Report on SFoG to get a thorough explanation of how it works. :)

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Tuesday, April 30, 2002 4:06 PM
SUF cost more than 2001's rides, Acro and Deja Vu. It cost at or over $16 million.
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Tuesday, April 30, 2002 4:17 PM

$16M is insane for a 2,759' long B&M. I find it REALLY hard to believe that was the price for the ride, and not for removing Viper, moving that dirt, repaving cotton states (or whatever area it's in, hey, I'm new here :)) and all that jazz. I mean B&M's twice that length don't even cost $16M!

Just my take on things.

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Tuesday, April 30, 2002 5:37 PM

Deconstruction of Viper and earthmoving doesn't cost much at all, really. But we've been told many times the cost was over Acro and Deja combined ($16 milly).

What drives up the pice is that the ride is a new type, so you're paying for all the time needed to engineer such a ride... also, the entire ride (except maybe the track itsef) is very complex, and new technology always adds to the price tag. Supposedly the electronics and computer for the operator's panel alone cost $50,000.

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Tuesday, April 30, 2002 5:47 PM
Also, I believe each wheel costs $500. For all three trains, that's well over $100,000 just for the wheels.

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Tuesday, April 30, 2002 5:55 PM

Rob Ascough said:
I assume that Superman, being a fairly straightforward installation (not requiring any excavation like AIR) cost about $15 million. Purely speculation, though...


That is probably about right. I know a smaller, sitdown about 2000 ft long costs about 4-5 million(not counting labor which is another 7-8 million)

Bottom line, B&M is an excellent company but very very very expensive

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