Superman Trains @ SFOG....

What I really want to see are the trains. They almost look like regular inverted trains except that they lay forward at an angle to allow for the feeling of flight. I am guessing that they'll a more comfortable shoulder restraint, but I wonder how our feet will harness. We already know that we'll load like an inverted coaster, and I notice in construction pics that the floor drops the same as an inverted does. Will it be like a bicycle seat kind of restraint similar to Acrophobia? I haven't looked at construction pics of AIR in a while. Do they have  pics of AIR's trains? I am sure that they will a lot less complicated then Vekoma's Flyers which lead me to believe that it will be much more reliable than the Vekoma version. I already have a trip planned for a weekend in the early Spring. I really liked Batwing at SFA. The only thing I didn't like was the way that the G's sometime forced you to look straight down. It looks like B&M's trains might correct that problem. What is everyone's thoughts?
I noticed this pic on the AIR topic that was posted.

http://www.nowt2do.co.uk/2002Park/air%20line%20drawing.jpg

1. WOW what a file.  and I have a LAN connection.  be very patient all you 56kers

2. I certainly hope that didn't come from B&M 'cause that sucks.  for one, there's chair behind your legs.  I thought that your legs would be free.  two, those restraints look small and painful.  like a twisted steel bar that you'll be lying on.  I hope that they pad those restraints and take out that stuff behind the riders' legs.

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Ok, having your legs hang free just would be the most uncomfortable thing imagninable.  Just think:  your body parallel to the ground, and you could do one of two things:

1.  Try to keep your legs parallel, which would probably end up being the most painful ab work out you've ever had or

2.  Let your legs hang perpindicular to your body, and let the g forces try to rip your legs out of socket. 

Sounds to me like having your legs up, in the Superman position, would be damn comfortable. 

no, I didn't mean the leg supports.  if there weren't the supports you'd probably fall half out of your seat.  I'm talking about what's *behind* you legs.  that's just pointless.  what time you do spend in the non-prone position is limited and who cares if your legs bend a little due to g-forces.  if you're afraid that your legs will fall back too much due to g-forces then just use your muscles to keep them up against the support.  the part behind your legs just goes against all the openness that B&M are all about.
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ahh, gotcha.  i suppose that's just for comfort and ease getting in and out of the train. 
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Hey coasterjedi, that bar is not what our bodies will be pressing against, it is what we will hold on to.  There is a new shoulder harness that you pull down and covers your entire upper torso. go to http://www.meritusllc.com/RMU/new2002/mvc875s.jpg 
Flying legs free doesnt hurt one bit on a Dutchmen. I dont think a B&M would be any different.
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The S:UF restraints  are somewhat the same as the VFD restraints,you have the 2 piece vest which holds your upper torso and  what appear to be ankle bars which will hold your legs in place.Looking at the drawings of the B&M train design it looks like it's gonna be complicated to get the ankle supports in place. With the VFD lap bars it is a bit easier to get in and out of the restraint.
I beg to differ. I *loathe* the leg restraints on the FD coasters. If I'm wearing shorts not pants, the 'ankle bars' are really uncomfortable, in fact even painful on my shins

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The leg irons have to extend behind your legs because (according to the drawings posted on RMU's site) that's where the support from the front side attaches. I suppose as an alternative they could have attached the leg iron to a rod hanging down from the lap bar, but that would probably unnecessarily complicate loading.
It looks to me like the loading is going to be remarkably simple on this thing...!

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Assuming Dave is right about ease of loading (and let's just say I like the odds), that is great news!  Simplicity of loading is exactly what I thought was lacking in the VFDs, and led to the long dispatchg times, and long waits.  If this is another of those B&M "improvements", it's a good one...

While Jeremy is right IMO about those shin-bangers, they DO hurt...I am pretty sure that's one of those necessary evils.  Hopefully Walter and Claude will see fit to provide us some softer, fluffier padding for those...;~).  Even the SLC's with the soft padding aren't that bad...

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ahh...that's much better.  and I like the idea of the hand grips or whatever those bars are called, but do they have to be so big?  the leg restraints seem much better in those drawings than in the first link.  in the first link it looked very similar to the FD design where as B&M have again pulled through and stripped it down to the bare minimum.  am I the only one who found the addition of the arm rests a little amusing?

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Those B&M flying trains look very comfy. And coasterjedi, the first picture that you said takes forever to load only took my 56k about 5 seconds.
It looks like an inverted coaster tilted backwards.  I thought your knees wouldn't be bent *that* much.  I'd like to see one where your legs are nearly straight out so you're really like Superman.
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In my mind, B&M looks very smart with these trains. They prove that they can make their flying trains as comfy as their sit down, floorless and inverted trains. In a way though, these trains are inverted trains with a few modifications, tilted back but its fine with me.
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