rentzy, the drop on Expedition looks amazing, but it's not a Stengel Dive. Goliath at SFH is the only coaster to have one of these dives. It looks like the 4th hill on Raging Bull, only three times more banked!
What I want to know is why is everybody all hyped up on this element as if it has never been seen on a hyper before? Raging Bul has a hill that is virtually identical to the so-called "Stengal Dive" (on the far left of this pic http://www.joyrides.com/sfgam/full/raging_bull1.htm )and no one talks about it (actually one of the weakest parts of the ride IMHO). Furthermore, I dont think Stengal was consulted for Bull (though I may be wrong there).
But overall Holland's Goliath looks like two tons of fun for everyone!
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Apoll's Chariot has something like that after you come back across the Rhine river and go under the lift. I will see if i can find a pic
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Hmmmz.... First, don't be fooled by the perspective on the pics. The dive can't be any higher than 30 meters or so, which would be roughly 100ft. As for the sensation going through it... Fantastic! Stengel did some excellent engineering and calculating on the ride. When riding in the front seats, the track is suddenly jerked away from under you, giving the illusion that the whole train is going to derail. When riding the last row, you follow the parabolic path exactly, giving the sensation of flying upside down, but also (because of being upside down in this angle and velocity) of crashing into the soil beneath you. I'm sorry guys, but you just can't compare this to anything on any coaster.
Yes, Helios say it pretty right. The Stengel Dive (only on SF Holland's Goliath) is a pretty awesome element. Raging Bull's turn like that does not do much. I like in the front where you go up the 3rd hill (every hill has massive forceful airtime, like Expedition Ge-Force or the Superman: ROS's hills) and the track is suddenly jerked from underneath you - being tilted at the top of the hill and feel like you are completly upside-down. No comparision whatsoever. . .
Expedition Ge-Force's first drop is also out of this world. Very steep, very sudden, very twisted and very gut-wrenching! Oh, I can still feel it. . . I also like the great forceful overbanked-to-the-right turn into the overbanked-to-the-left turn/drop. Goliath has two of those (one before and after the helix).
Both are awesome rollercoasters that should be brought stateside.