Steel Dragon smoothest coaster?

Thursday, July 26, 2001 5:25 PM
I realize that 99% of the world won't even ride the Steel Dragon 2000 because it is so far away, but having said that, I absolutely loved its smooth and airtime filled ride. Are all Morgan coasters this good? This is my first Morgan. It was smoother than Millennium Force, bar none. I am sure this will create the great SD2000 vs MF debate, but fire away!

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Thursday, July 26, 2001 5:28 PM
Air-time? It looked like its camel-backs went slow and had no air. hmmm.. I guess maybe it broken in?

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Thursday, July 26, 2001 5:30 PM
I wish I could ride it...I just came back from a Millennium Force filled trip and it has me craving so much more!
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Thursday, July 26, 2001 5:57 PM
I noticed the same thing on the show. It seemed like the second hill was so high that there was hardly and negative G. And the bunny hills back seemed very slow. Darn Camera

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Thursday, July 26, 2001 5:58 PM
I have noticed that too. SD2K looks like it's going really slow on the ride. Now on the other hand, Millennium Force looks like it's flying!!

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Thursday, July 26, 2001 6:05 PM
Guys, please don't make this a "compare the gigas" thread.

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Thursday, July 26, 2001 6:05 PM
Oh, man Nasai, you're getting me hyped to ride it next week. Have you ridden Dodonpa yet at Fujiyku-Highland? If not, have you seen or heard anything about it? My one Japanese friend said he heard it did in fact open last Sunday.
If you're still in JP check it out if you can! I can't wait to try 0-107mph in under 2 seconds!
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Thursday, July 26, 2001 6:19 PM
I wish I could get a chance to ride it. It looks awesome! From all of the pictures and video it looks packed with airtime. If I did get the chance I would probably still like the first drop on MF more because of the atmosphere and degree of drop, but the airtime would go to SD2K.

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Thursday, July 26, 2001 6:36 PM

nasai said:
"Are all Morgan coasters this good"


I find it quite amusing how a question like that can turn into a bash the other giga thread... He did make a comparison, but I didn't see any MF bashing.

To address your question, I have only one Morgan under my belt: Mamba. It blows me away, to say the least, each time I ride it. The two monstrous drops, the sweet helix, and the massive airtime make for a sensational ride. The second hill does not eject you, but gives you just a little lift and then floats you all the way down the 180+ feet--pure joy. So I know Mamba is great, Phantom's Revenge has gotten rave reviews, and Steel Force is number 4 on the steel coaster list. So to answer your question, I would say that Morgan builds great coasters. You often hear the rolling stock on Morgans get bashed, and I'll admit it's much more bulky than many others. But the two-across seating gives you a great view, regardless.

Morgans are fun, exciting, and less expensive than their other counterparts (Mamba cost $10 million--inexpensive for a hyper). Sadly they never seem to get as much hype and respect as other manufacturers, but I urge you to visit a park with a Morgan hyper if you can. You won't be disappointed.
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Thursday, July 26, 2001 6:50 PM
I've ridden Steel Eel at SWoT. It's billed as a hyper but it's only 150 feet. That being said it's a truly great coaster. It's basically just an out and back with a ton of air. Never felt so much air on a coaster. It's not as smooth as a B&M or Giavanola but it's not rough either. It's a great ride, just wish it was a true hyper, it doesn't seem to go very fast(but nothing does after riding Titan).
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Thursday, July 26, 2001 7:01 PM

nasai said:
"I realize that 99% of the world won't even ride the Steel Dragon 2000 because it is so far away, "


so far away from the world? Hmm.. you americans forget there is more to the world than the US.

sigh.. yanks.
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Thursday, July 26, 2001 7:08 PM
Hey! I resemble that! ;) LOL!

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Thursday, July 26, 2001 7:14 PM
Hey, I don't feel like spending $15,000 to fly to Japan, and just go on one coaster. It's a Chance-Morgan (I don't like Morgan's). Millennium Force looks better and it is better. Wow, SD2000 has a "bigger" drop by 7 feet! Wow!!!!!!

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*** This post was edited by StealthmF5m3 on 7/26/2001. ***
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Thursday, July 26, 2001 7:21 PM
StealthmF5m3, it is not a chance-morgan! It's a Morgan! And you don't need to pay 15k to get there, thats what parents are for ;) Accually, it doesn't cost that much for roundtrip flights from the US, unless your buing the whole plane.
And I don't think it's fair for ANYONE to compare it to MF. They are different coasters, the only thing they have in common is they are above 300 feet. Comparing the two would be as fair as comparing Raging Bull to Mamba. A hyper out&back against a hyper twister... and then comparing SD2K and MF is comparing a giga speed to a giga out&back.

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Thursday, July 26, 2001 7:35 PM
Stealth, are you saying you have ridden MF, or are you just faking that you have? First you say it looks better (indicating that you haven't ridden it) and then you say it is better. Which is it? A video cannot possibly convey what a ride feels like (see post from yesterday about The Phoenix at Knoebels). Are most Morgan's smooth? Well based on Steel Force and Phantom's Revenge (the only two I've ridden) I would say yes.

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Thursday, July 26, 2001 7:36 PM

StealthmF5m3 said:
"Hey, I don't feel like spending $15,000 to fly to Japan, and just go on one coaster."

Give me a break! You know people who like coasters go to Japan for other reasons. I'm pretty sure Nasai is there on business. Me, I'm being paid to go (although many people may not consider what I do "business" :) ), and even if I had to pay for my ticket, the non-stop round trip ticket from Chicago to Tokyo/Narita and back was only $800! "Go for one coaster"? Just Nagashima and Fujikyu alone have nearly 20 coasters combined! (Dodonpa is Fujikyu's 12th.)


StealthmF5m3 said:
"Millennium Force looks better and it is better."

And you have ridden both, right? You must have if you "know" that one is better.

Some people don't seem to understand that there is no such thing as better when it comes to coasters. Some people prefer chocolate, some prefer strawberry. If I have ridden 2 coasters and prefer one, that certainly doesn't mean the one I prefer is better! Some people loved Outer Limits with shoulder restraints, and more power to them. I would have rather hit myself in the head with a brick that ride it with OTSRs again! I won't even comment on whether I prefer MF to SD2K after I ride it in a week or 2 because it doesn't matter.

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Thursday, July 26, 2001 10:05 PM

StealthmF5m3 said:
"I don't like Morgan's. Millennium Force looks better and it is better."

You don't like Morgans? Well, a quick glance at your track record shows that you have ridden no Morgans. So maybe it's just me, but it seems odd to know that you don't like a manufacturers work when you haven't even tried ONE (yes, I'm yelling) of their coasters. I always thought you had to ride a coaster to review it, but I must just be too old school.

I still cannot believe that there are people who wish SD2000 didn't exist. The world has been graced with two 300+ foot coasters, which appear to be completely different in layout and style. Be happy that there is an opportunity for you to ride more scream machines instead of being jealous about those seven feet (and I don't understand why the "bigger" is in quotes--it is bigger).

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Friday, July 27, 2001 6:24 AM
I have not ridden SD2K so I can't stick up for it. However, the video they showed on the Making of a Coaster was while it was testing. Nobody was even in the train when the camera was taping the track. Also, that was before the coaster even opened to the public, it needed to have time to break in.

I downloaded a POV video from CP's website last year of Millennium Force. It too has nobody in the trains, and is also during testing. Yes, it looks a lot slower than the ride is. (Yes, I have ridden MF, unlike some 'posers' out there ;))

So I'm sure that SD2K does go a lot faster than what it showed on the video.

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Friday, July 27, 2001 6:42 AM
Peabody, No I didn't ride Dodonpa. It hadn't opened yet, and I was unable to travel to Fujikyu this year. Hopefully next....;) In regards to the videos of Steel Dragon, let me assure you that I saw some video prior to riding it, and even standing in its shadow, the thing looked soooooooo slow! I was really disappointed upon first glance, but riding it changed my mind. Yes, it does indeed slow down. It is not Millennium Force, nor does it intend to be. It is a HUGE out and back, simple as that. It does slow down to perhaps 45 mph on the hills, but jeez....that is still hauling butt, guys! 45 mph gives a boatload of airtime if the geometry of the track is correct, and this ride is CORRECT!
The last 8 bunny hops are raging, and loaded with air. It is not ejector seat air, but gentle and perfectly rounded. The ride never lags, but gives and takes, and that makes it sweet IMHO.

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Friday, July 27, 2001 6:53 AM
By the way, after reading all the replies, I want to say that you can go to Japan for very little. My wife is Japanese, so that is why I was there. Also, you can bid on tickets (at unnamed sites-if you want info, e-mail me), and go for as little as $300 per person round trip. Nagashima Spaland is a family park intended for people with a desire to escape from the heat and swim in the pools, and springs. It just happens to have two of the best coasters in the world. Before some of you make VERY foolish comments about coasters, think before writing. This is a smoothness query (question for the little 'uns), not a MF bash session. Thanks.

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