S:RoS's on East Coast

Saturday, October 12, 2002 7:01 AM
Why is that they are all on the east coast? Not that that's bad:) I dopn't think there are any of them in the west.

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Saturday, October 12, 2002 7:27 AM
I think they are on the east coast because SF thought that the parks that got them would benefit the most by getting them.
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Saturday, October 12, 2002 9:26 AM
The other issue is that the Six Flags parks out here have height restrictions of 150 ft, except for SFMM, and they apparently don't have the desire for the ride there. Too bad:(
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Saturday, October 12, 2002 10:58 AM
Remember that they aren't all clones, it's just a name. They could have named Goliath Superman: Ride of Steel if they had wanted to.
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Saturday, October 12, 2002 11:00 AM
RubberDucky-I am reffering to Intamin Hypers.

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-Sean

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Saturday, October 12, 2002 11:30 AM

I'd always wondered that too, so I asked someone of influence. Well, most parks this way(west)height issues to deal with, as well as pretty strict neighbors.

SFMM was well into the development of Goliath by the time SF Inc began their association with Intamin. In fact, Goliath had been on the table since back during the end of the Time-Warner ownership!

That said, there IS finally an Intamin hyper coming to the west coast, but it will have nothing to do with Superman or Six Flags...

I'm still wondering why Texas hasn't

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"Escuse me, can you tell me where the heck the Mystery Lodge is"?

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Saturday, October 12, 2002 12:01 PM
It has to do with capacity in many reasons. The S:ROS coasters have a lower capacity than the B&M (and Giovanola) coasters. Intamin's use of magnetic brakes makes running three trains difficult; either Intamin would have to add a midcouse that would use traditional fin brakes, or Six Flags would have to spend the extra money on two stations (one load, one unload).

Before anyone jumps on me, I realize that running three trains does not automatically mean a higher capacity than running two. However, the cycle times (dispatch to final brakes) are very similar on the Intamin hypers and the B&M hypers - but Intamin coasters run only two trains while B&Ms run three. B&Ms have a much greater capacity because of the third train.

This is the reason SFMM got a Giovanola hyper and not an Intamin. The only SF park on the west coast I could see getting an Intamin hyper would be SFMW (a jr, of course).

-Nate

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Saturday, October 12, 2002 12:03 PM
I have yet to see Goliath running 3 trains....

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Saturday, October 12, 2002 12:25 PM

I have seen it run three trains :)

Anyways, yeah, PGA is most likely going to get an Intamin hyper for 2003 according to a couple of sites(www.NorCalCoasters.com, www.CaliforniaCoasterNews.com)

That is just a rumor so don't take it too seriously.

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Saturday, October 12, 2002 12:28 PM

SFgadvMAN said:
"RubberDucky-I am reffering to Intamin Hypers.
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Goliath (SFH) is an Intamin hyper, and it isn't on the East coast.
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Vekoma!

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Saturday, October 12, 2002 12:42 PM
Yeah I've seen Goliath run three trains as well. But the point is, it CAN run three trains.

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"Escuse me, can you tell me where the heck the Mystery Lodge is"?

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Saturday, October 12, 2002 12:55 PM
Understood, but you get my point as well. It can, but it obviously, rarely does. I think the argument that S:ROS coasters are typically low in pph count is somewhat ludicrous. Even with the summer crowds, the coaster's waits are in the 60-90min catagory. Goliath is in the same boat, or at least has been everytime I have been there. Half the battle is the ops' competence. I hope this isn't coming off as too argumentative, but they are my thoughts. Heck, I haven't even ridden S:ROS at SFNE, or at Darien Lake, so I haven't got any idea how the ops work at those parks!

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Saturday, October 12, 2002 12:59 PM
SFGAm and SFGAdv consistently run three trains on their B&M hypers no problem. I don't know what SFMM's problem, but it's probably a problem in their operations and not in the ride itself.

When Corporate Six Flags looks at installing new coasters, it looks at theoretical capicity - and the B&Ms (and Giovanolas) have a higher capacity. The operations of Goliath are SFMM's problem and had nothing to do with the decision to install the higher capacity Giovanola over an Intamin hyper.

-Nate

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Saturday, October 12, 2002 1:05 PM
I know what you meant. All I am saying is they are just names. Why SF chose to install 3 red intamin hypers with the same name on the east coast is because they were good for those parks. It is just a name, a park can name anything S:ROS. Even a ferris wheel if they wanted to!
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Saturday, October 12, 2002 1:17 PM

RubberDucky, LOL!

Yeah, I agree with the hypothetical capacity. I would do the same thing in a corporate situation. Too bad that many of the Six Flags parks don't have the caring ops it takes to be efficient. It doesn't help that many of these problems come from the higher ups as well.

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Saturday, October 12, 2002 1:19 PM

Even with two trains, Goliath has a faster moving line than any of the S:ROS rides I have ridden, less down time and no chain breaks, same goes for the B&M hypers. But it's true, the decision to add Giovanola and B&M have to do with their reliability and capacity. Whether the parks in question live up to expectation reflects the park, not the original intent.

But let's not get off the subject and turn this into another SF bash-fest. The original question was why the west has no Intamin hypers, and their are other parks out this way other than SFMM, including three Texas parks that also missed the Intamin beat.

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"Escuse me, can you tell me where the heck the Mystery Lodge is"?

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Saturday, October 12, 2002 2:39 PM

Oh, I would never be involved in a bash fest. That is definitely beneath me....;) Seriously, I love coasters, and parks for what they are, not who they are. Experiences are just that....

Rob, who would gladly kill for a clone of SFNE's Ride of Steel here in the Northwest.

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Saturday, October 12, 2002 3:04 PM
MF has 3 trains and its an Intamin, If SFMM wanted a Intamin hyper with 3 trains it would have been possible.

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Saturday, October 12, 2002 3:07 PM
Like I said, Six Flags would have to invest in two stations instead of one for a high-capacity Intamin hypercoaster. I honestly don't think Six Flags was interested in the added expense when they could have a B&M or Giovanola with a midcourse for cheaper (than an entire extra station).

-Nate

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Saturday, October 12, 2002 3:13 PM
How much more would an extra station actually cost? I mean, when you look at the extreme price of these coasters, what's the price of a little bit more concrete and the like? It just seems to me that if that is just about the only reason, it doesn't seem like a very good one.
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