Southern Cal Buzzers: Which Park?
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Well, I got my ticket for Knott's at Food 4 Less on Monday, so I'm going there regardless. As long as Ghostrider and Supreme Scream are up, I'll be okay. Heck, I only paid $24 for the ticket - I'd be pissed if I had paid full price and there were rides down.
Guess I'll have to wait for Top Thrill Dragster to be my first Intamin Launched Coaster.
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If you want to have major fun on your one only free day in So.Cal go to SFMM period. If you wanna go to parks that has been hyped up and overrated so much it's sickning go to Knotts/DLR. Knotts/DLR is somewhere you go when you have kids not for the older crowd imo, out of both they don't even come halfway close to all the big rides SFMM has. So why would an adult with no kids want to go Knotts/DLR when SFMM is targeted (and doing a dam good job at it imo) for the teens and older market that's don't want to hear shhhhhht like it's a Small World over and over and over or lame Dinosaur rides (aka) KOD at knotts.
Also what I don't understand is why SFMM is the most hated park in the industry, just b/c they have 4 coasters out of 16(or going to be 16 don't START) that may not be maintained the best, b/c the parks cleanliness is not up to your ridiculous standards, or b/c their employees are not running around looking like robots with programed smiles, when knowing the human side of them are in utter disguest from how some of you people carry on in a public enviroment. I also don't know where you people get all the trashyness at the park from b/c if the park was that trashy as many updates as there are done on SFMM you would see trashyness in the updates, what the pictures don't pick up trashyness in the background, the picture takers are cleaning up the area themselves before they take the pics lol give me a break.
With the resources SF INC. is willing to give Del and the crew to run a park the size of SFMM is ridiculous, but they are doing the best job the can with the little resources they have. So until you guys find out the facts about the inside works of SFMM you have no right to bash the place, b/c it's SF inc. that doesn't give a dam about home many sweepers are on the the midways and what's in the restroom. They leave that up to the indiviual park and then on top of that give hardly no money to have people sweeping and cleaning. If SFMM, SFGAdv, and any of the other big boys in the SF chain was getting any where near the profit they are raking in at the gates then those parks could be fabulous, but since SF inc. gets thier hands on the money they take all they want and then give the park a little 10/15 million doallar coaster and everything suppose to be fine. The problem with that is these parks are making multi -millions of dollars a year, they are worth more then a 10/15 million dollar coaster a year and then some, heck half the parks don't even get that.
Anyways sorry for the rant i'm just sick of hearing about how much SFMM sucks when it should be how much SF INC sucks not thier parks.
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Well, I don't know what Friday you're going to be out in So Cal, but SFMM is closed every Friday in Jan & Feb except for the 1st two weeks in Jan.
Having said that, IMO...go to DCA. It's a fun park, Screamin' is awesome, Millionaire is fun, everyone loves Soarin', Sun Wheel and the rapids are cool, and there's even a wild mouse and a space shot too! I haven't been to Knott's since Coaster Con, and until I hear they've made some drastic changes to how they run the place, or that GR has smoothed out a bit, I don't think I'll be going back anytime soon. But if you've never been there, then I guess it's worth going to get the credits in and ride Monty a bunch of times (XLR8R will be down, right?).
As much as I'm 'ho-hum' about SFMM...I'd probably suggest going there over Knott's, but they are closed on Fridays, so that rules them out....but I'd take DCA over both of then anyday!
--Robb "There's always Legoland!" Alvey
Robb Alvey says:
"...until I hear they've made some drastic changes to how they run the place, or that GR has smoothed out a bit, I don't think I'll be going back anytime soon."
GR is fine, but based on my visit on Jan 3rd you won't wanna be going anytime soon, Robb.
Moosh
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Fafolguy said:
Well, I got my ticket for Knott's at Food 4 Less on Monday, so I'm going there regardless. As long as Ghostrider and Supreme Scream are up, I'll be okay. Heck, I only paid $24 for the ticket - I'd be pissed if I had paid full price and there were rides down.
Well, you could have waited and gotten tickets for $13 by just donating a can of non perishable food, at the park too! Its a brand new promotion that started today I guess. Now THAT is one hell of deal, considering knotts charges the visitors to christmas crafts village (who pay a small admission fee, just a few bucks) $5 per ride. And ghostrider has been running great recently.
The main problem people are talking about in regards to the way they run the place mostly has to do with what people experienced last Coaster Con, and has really continued over the 6 months since. Things like the park being EXTREMELY anal about everything, but heh, its for your own safety so maybe you guys should consider that. A few bad employees have been hired (one of the worst ones I saw there, who I had to force to say "you're welcome" by saying "thank you extremely friendly, was actually talking with her co worker which is better to work in for merchandise at DLR- Downtown Disney or the parks- and they continued the conversation as I paid for my stuff), but still, new faster ones come in every day (most notably the almost entirely new ghostrider crew), and the notorious slow ones aren't being noticed as much. Also, food quality at the Auntie Pastas place has deteriorated a tiny bit when they went buffet, but its not horrible, and last time I ate there there was no mac and cheese. The salad and pasta were really good, the pizza was fair, but the new breakdsticks were unedible.
But you must place all of the reliability problems on Intamin. Who do you think built Xcelerator, sky cabin, perilous plunge, and bigfoot rapids, 3 of which are infamous for their bad reliability (all but the last one). But then again, the park doesn't give you a free ride pass when you've waited 1.5 hours for for perilous plunge and it goes down, unless you're one of the like 20 people standing there once most everyone has left and they want you to leave the queue. But then look what they did to Kingdom of the dinosaurs, which, BTW, is on its deathbed, and is certaintly going to be replaced in the next couple of years.
The park's problems have been really over detailed in too many TRs. Someone complains about the Ghostrider ride ops not letting them stay on the ride with no line but they don't mention that all other ride ops were being very generous with this.
Speedy says:
"The park's problems have been really over detailed in too many TRs."
Speaking as someone who recently wrote a TR all I can say is that I reported what I experienced, with no exaggeration.
Moosh
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Not yours, yours was quite positive for a day that was considered by all an off day for the park (although intamin is to blame for xcelerator's & perilous plunge's downtime). I'm talking about the laughing place, acn (just 1 really wrong one there), and mouseplanet TRs. Just totally wrong and misrepresentful. I quote a laughing place one: "the ride op on the bumper cars did not check the restraints physically. just a quick glance to see that no one was not in a car. how can this be safe! this is an outrage!". Okay, dumb person. First off, no bumper cars have locking lap bars (except maybe the DCA one because its all high tech with things like the cars expressing their anger when they "crash"), at least that I know of. What are the ride ops supposed to do? from standing in the ring they can see that the lap bars are down cause they're not up in the air (they're kind of like the spinning wild mices' restraints), and that everyone is seated. and KBF has become quite anal about this.
Although I have never much liked most of Cedar Fair's "nazi"-like policies, I do agree that for the most part they're just taking extra precautions. Nothing wrong with that. My problem with the park recently is the rude way in which they do it. Slamming down lap bars and ignoring you like you're just a stupid # hits my hot button.
Guest Services is just a mess at this park. You've got so much frivilous crap going on in such a cramped office, that potiental serious matters get over looked. They need a much larger office. Overall, Cedar Fair takes good care of Knott's, but their attention to their customers is severly lacking at this point. My sister and her family will never return to Knott's. They'd rather deal with Six Flags where at least they know what to expect. Knott's used to be the friendliest place on earth. Now it seems as though they could care less whether you have fun or not.
Disney *still* rules them all...
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Superman:The Escape(1997-2002) May he one day fly again.
Believe me, the only time you will see that office full is during haunt (when the park is sold out), and during the specially priced annual pass sale in december (but people come to process their christmas presents all through early January, so it remains busy). The solution- and a cheap one at that would be to have it set up somewhere else. If my school can register you for classes in the cafeteria, and take your school pictures in the theater, then surely Knotts can clear out one of the Chicken Dinner Resturant rooms (do they have private rooms?), or if not that have a tent or whatever, and do it that way, keeping guest relations relaxing. I'd bet 80% of passes are sold during december, word spreads like wildfire, and they had a few sponsors this year, such as ralphs, who printed the coupon on all the shopping bags and probably had big signs up in the store.
And its Knottzi, not nazi. Anyways, now, they still push down on Ghostrider, but they don't staple like I saw 2 gals doing a few months ago. Specifically Macy and Robin. Robbin said "whats in your pocket". I said a wallet, and then she felt as if she had to take it down to the next notch even though it wouldn't go no more, so she just threw all her weight on my and stapled me. now, people complain the lap bar's too tight and they'll release your seat's restraint no trouble. These days, Xcelerator's lapbar doesn't squeeze your bladder, and the ride op always says, "brace yourself, this is going to be tight". A few months ago I was getting stapled on Supreme Scream for gods sake. But more recently, the perilous plunge ride op told me and another rider to hold down our lap bars after he checked the belts, but the lap bar was not locked yet. I lifted mine up an inch or so, and waited for the ride op to come back. He just glanced to see they were closed (this is what they do in Europe anyways), and then went to his dispatch location. He actually trusted us. If you thought what you saw and described on the 3rd was bad, you haven't seen the worst. A perilous plunge employee talking on a cell phone, popping baloons from the snoopy show that driften onto the ride somehow, exploding at guests (I should have reported him for this, it was totally unacceptable, and he really exploded). I guess he doesn't realize the people who visit the park are essentially his boss, and can fire him if enough people complain, or if no one visits because he's not friendly. People usually suck up near their bosses.
Yes, Xcelertor was open. Read the upcoming trip report for full detail of my day at Knott's.
Thanks for all the input folks! It really helped me make my decision!
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