Some Big Chief's Qs

Sunday, March 7, 2004 4:06 AM
I don't understand your point. The average April temperature in Madison is 45 degrees, which is far too warm for snow.

The lake effect has as much to do with temperature as it does with precipitation. The lake generally keeps the surrounding area warmer in cold temps (meaning more snow) and cooler during warm temps (also meaning more snow).

-Nate

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Sunday, March 7, 2004 4:38 AM
Did anyone bother to look up the stats?

According to the National Weather Service:

From 1971 to 2000

Madison averaged 3.5" of snow in April

Milwaukee averaged 2.6" of snow in April

Wow, Madison gets more snow on average than Milwaukee!

There is no detailed info for Wisconsin Dells specifically, but I think considering the location of the cities in question and the fact that the stats are from the government that it's pretty safe to say...

It snows in Wisconsin in April.

Me and my silly little facts ;)

*** Edited 3/7/2004 9:40:02 AM UTC by Lord Gonchar***

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Sunday, March 7, 2004 9:15 AM
I really don't think Big Chief's would be very promising this early in the year. Heck, it's never very promising.

The Kalahari is one of the best hotels in the Wis. Dells, and no one is very dissapointed. It is huge, with many great slides, including a Master Blaster.

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Sunday, March 7, 2004 11:58 AM
Appleton does not get lake effect snow, I know lake effect snow I get it in Indiana. Lake effect snow happens when winds off of the great lakes get ladden with humidity and drop snow on the surounding areas. Winds in the US generally flow from west to east, Appleton in east and quite a bit inland from Lake Michigan thus we dont get lake effect snow (Green Bay does about once every other year but that is on the shore).

Rant over, Ben G while I am more of a Great Wolf Lodge kind of guy you will enjoy your time at Kalahari dont be supprised if you dont leave the property (expect to eat) while you are there.

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Sunday, March 7, 2004 4:20 PM

Lord Gonchar said:
Did anyone bother to look up the stats?

Me and my silly little facts


Your facts are inaccurate. Snowfall has been decreasing each year. Your facts may accurately represent the 1970's (and maybe even the 80's), but they are *not* a good representation of today. You don't live here.

Here are the stats for Columbia County (where Wisconsin Dells is located). It pretty much confirms what was said above: a measly 1.5 inches, which tends to melt away immediately and has *not* shown up in recent years. There is no snow in May.

Touchdown: You're saying that any cities that are west of a lake don't get lake effect snow? You're wrong. Wind patterns do not remain the same around lakes because wind frequently blows off the lake. Appleton is only about 30 miles off the lake, and while it may not be the biggest contender for a lake effect example, it definitely happens there.

-Nate *** Edited 3/7/2004 9:21:08 PM UTC by coasterdude318***

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Sunday, March 7, 2004 6:31 PM
Well then let me sort through the standard Nate mess of twists and innaccuracies and break it down:

1. Sparky 697 said:

"It usually snows into April there. We have been there twice in mid-April for my daughter's birthday and it snowed both times."

2. Nate replied:

"I'd also like to point out that I've lived in Wisconsin for nearly 22 years and have never seen it snow into April."

3. Nate later says:

"Here are the stats for Columbia County (where Wisconsin Dells is located). It pretty much confirms what was said above: a measly 1.5 inches"

So it does snow in the Dells area in April. Which (just like the other thread) was the original point that seemed to be lost in all the senseless "can't let it go" bickering.

You're flat out wrong on this one, man - you said it yourself. It snows there in April.


Your facts are inaccurate.

Well you argued with 2 dictionary sources, so why should it surprise me that you'd argue with the National Weather Service too?

We're all wrong in your world :)

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Sunday, March 7, 2004 6:32 PM
Im not saying it doesnt happen, it just hasnt happened that much. I asked some of my fellow Appletonians and we can only remember 1 such occasion happening in the past 10 years and it only resulted in .5 inches of snow (I remember our local weather man making a big deal out of it since it was the first time he had seen it happen in our area).

This is because while there are many times where onshore breezes result on the coast, lake effect snow requires a strong steady movement across a large body of water (which is why the great lakes are the only lakes in this country that produce lake effect snow). Lake Michigan while being huge is much larger north to south then east to west in order for lake effect to happen on it the wind has to be nearly constant across the whole length. Also you need a steady wind for about a day, east, northeast or southeast winds dont happen that much or stay for a long period of time.

I go to college in South Bend Indiana, we get tons of lake effect snow there. Lake effect is quite different from your average frontal snow. Lake effect snow can last (and usually does) for days and it gives you allmost constant snowfall. It took quite a lot of getting used to for me because that doesnt happen in Wisconsin!

Finally in early April (Im talking first two weeks) high temps can easily be in the 40s and be cloudy. Why do I mention this, because while Im not quite sure on the full facts I remember that March tends to be the month where we get the most snow (had a 2/12 footer on St. Patty's Day 99, two years I know for certain we had more snow in the month of March then in Dec, Jan and Feb combined). If it only goes into the 40s and is cloudy to boot snow doesnt melt fast, it will still be there, and to compound the problems half melted snow results in lots of ice forming everywhere (especially during the night). Now one in there right mind is going to opperate a coaster that likely has a layer of ice over most of the track. Late April is usually a different story.

Also before you mention that allmost all the snow is gone right now so we should expect it to stay that way dont count on it. We had what I like to call the "fake spring" or the "Feburary thaugh" last week. Its the one week in Feburary where Mother Nature plays a cruel trick on the midwest before plunging it into winter again (as I write this on my spring break its sleeting outside and will likely become snow tonight).

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Sunday, March 7, 2004 7:45 PM
I have a tendancy to exaggerate, but that's pretty common when people are talking about weather. For instance, if I lived in Texas and claimed "It never rains in the summer", people probably wouldn't take issue with that. Does that mean that it never, ever, ever rains in Texas? No, but it does mean that it's awfully rare. What if I said it doesn't snow in Atlanta? People probably wouldn't take issue with that either...but it has happened.

Of course, it's typical of Lord Gonchar to jump into a thread he knows nothing about and start arguing for the sake of arguing. The National Weather Service's statistics page comes right after a warning that says, "The climate data detailed in the table below are unofficial and are subject to additions or corrections." They also clearly conflict with what Wisconsin Online and everywhere else cited in this thread. But that doesn't matter, right? Whatever facts Lord Gonchar comes up with are the true ones, at least in his mind. He even ignores the differences in dictionary definitions while only pointing out similarities.

Touchdown: The Great Lakes are not the only lakes in this country that produce lake-effect snow. Read up on it: "Lake-effect snows are not restricted to the Great Lakes shorelines, but are most common and heaviest there. Any large lake may produce lake-effect snow downwind if it remains essentially ice-free." Lake Michigan definitely produces it in all directions.

-Nate

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Sunday, March 7, 2004 9:34 PM
http://mcc.sws.uiuc.edu/Watch/0401/fig14.0401.jpg

Did you ever stop and think for a moment that you're speaking on something you shoudn't be? Perhaps being blind has affected your ability to see things, sir, but that's why everyone else jumps in to tell you what you've been missing. Snow falls on Wisconsin in April, simple as that. And hey, it's even done so in the last five years. But it's not snowing in Wisconsin now, is it? So, does that mean the climate's changed?

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Sunday, March 7, 2004 9:37 PM
Hehe. I'm not trying to get you mad, Nate. Really.

You're just frustrated because I'm the only that challenges your general disagreement with seemingly everything anyone says around here.

The same way I get frustrated with you turning everything into a side argument that you refuse to let drop even after proven wrong or when there are several others who have the same level of "experience" with the situation who disagree with you.

You know Tekno really had us pegged in his little 'analysis' in the other thread. I really think we're more alike than we could ever know - especially in our love of debate, desire to be correct and inability to let it go. Kind of like a good and evil twin sort of thing. Black & White. Heads & tails. Two sides of the same coin. (if there's one thing you can do, it's pull dumb analogies out of me)

(Just for the record, you have no idea what I know and don't, though. For all you know I could be a meteorologist who studied in Wisconsin for 10 years. ;) )

The bottom line is (kind of like the other thread) that the argument has run it's course. One person mentioned the chance of snow affetcing Ben's trip. We now know that it's entirely possible for that to happen.

Continuing a debate over the actual number of inches or what areas are subject to lake effect snow has no bearing at all on the topic at hand.

If someone says "You're right, Nate. Even though a member of this site has been snowed on at that time of year there AND other people who live in the general area see snow at that time of year AND various weather statistic sources say snow accumulation is an occurance in the area at that time. It doesn't matter, man - you're right!" will that make it all better?

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Sunday, March 7, 2004 11:10 PM
No. And why should it? I live here. I've seen it for myself. There's really no better proof than that.


-Nate

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Sunday, March 7, 2004 11:45 PM
Wow... I didn't realize how many morans are on this site. Who the hell cares about the weather. As a Wisconsin Dells resident... is snows in April! Now let it go and move on!

As for Big Chief, I live a couple of miles from the parka and it's totaly torn apart. The castle is almost dismantled, tress have been cleared away (so many you can now see all of Zeus), and tractors are all over the place. Scroll through www.screamscape.com in the rumor section and you will see a picture of Big Chief from about 3 weeks ago. Hopefully we'll see improvements as the park has had issues with state inspections.

Now are we done pissing about the weather? After all, we're here to discuss amuesment parks & rides... not moan.

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Monday, March 8, 2004 2:03 AM
Yeah, and then there are the morons who take the time to sign up and make their first and only post to claim they're a WI Dells resident and that everyone who is arguing is a moron. Please.

-Nate

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Monday, March 8, 2004 9:28 AM
And the nominees for CBuzzer you'd want to Hang out with the Least are...
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Saturday, March 13, 2004 1:19 AM

Chitown said:


Just last April 7th, we had a pretty big snow storm in the Chicago area. You are telling me that Wisconsin didn't get any of that? It snows in April in Wisconsin.



coasterdude 318 said:

No, I don't believe we got any snow on April 7, especially considering just a couple days later it was in the 80's.


Hate to bring this back up, and I don't know why I didn't think of trying accuweather before, but you're both right - kind of.

It was indeed 88 degrees on April 14th in Wisconsin Dells last year, but they did get 2.3 inches of snow on April 7th. (in fact they got a total of 4.8 inches falling from the 4th through the 7th)

Stats here for zip code 53965 (Big Chief's zip)

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Saturday, March 13, 2004 1:53 AM
Thankyou Gonch.

I knew I wasn't dreaming this as I was slipping and sliding in my car to the hospital.

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