Smaller coaster question for everyone (opinions)
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Maybe it's just me, but I couldn't see myself borrowing a kid to ride a coaster. The point of riding coasters, to me, is to have fun and experience thrills. How thrilled do you get going up 12 feet and traveling at 8 mph? If you think I'm being hypocritical because i have Jr. Gemini on my track record, it's on there because I rode it when I was small enough to ride it as a youth.
However, I really did enjoy both Woodstock Express and Flying Unicorn, and I didn't need to borrow a child, so I counted them. In the long run, who cares? I have a feeling that a lot of people lie about their coaster counts, anyway.
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If counting kiddy coasters is a way to pad one's track record to get a higher count then the same could be said about people who count multi-tracked coasters as more than one, or those who recount a coaster when its moved to a new park, or those who recount a coaster when it gets new trains or is reprofiled. Fact of the matter is that we all have our own methods for counting coasters. Who is to say which method is right and which method is used soley for padding a count?
I would agree that a few...VERY FEW...use their coaster count as a way to brag, but generally I don't feel such is the case, especially when there are so many different methods for counting. Perhaps those who feel people with large counts are bragging do not have a large count themselves? Perhaps they're jealous?
And remember "largeness" is relative. A track record of 250 only looks large to those with less than 250, but looks small to those who have ridden more. And for someone who has just started out and only been to a few parks a count of 100 seems huge. And with so many different methods of counting its possible for two people to have the exact same number in their count and yet not have actually ridden the same number of coasters.
IMHO I don't see any problem with having kiddie coasters in a track record should a person decide to do so. Its like saying a single speed bicycle isn't a bike because there are bikes with 10, 12, and 15 speeds.
I've said this many times before: count how you wish, let others count how they wish, and just leave it be. The only person who has to be accountable for your method of counting is you.
Matthew
PS - anyone who wants to know my method can email me personally.
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I will, however, be adding a few of these to my track record over the next few years, as my daughter has just turned 2. I had the joy of taking her on her very first coaster ride last week, the Little Dipper at Little A-Merrick-A. As you can see, I did add it to my record as I did ride it with my daughter. When I go to parks on my own, I will still skip the kid's coasters, but when I'm with my kids, bring on the Juniors!
Later,
EV
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I have kiddies who have been limited to riding the kiddie coasters at a given park....so naturally, I ride with them.
During my first 101 coasters, I have only been on one kiddie coaster without my kids and only two of the first 101 were clones....but that was intentional (so I could have a 100th coaster and a 100th original coaster).
With or without an official count, I have decided against riding various coasters because I didn't want to stand in line or just didn't want to ride them at all.
I'm really not concerned with how other people do or don't count....except for those who ride one clone and decide to add every other Boomerang/SLC/B:TR to their list. That's just plain lying.
-'Playa
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Mark W. Baruth said:
However, I really did enjoy both Woodstock Express and Flying Unicorn, and I didn't need to borrow a child, so I counted them. In the long run, who cares? I have a feeling that a lot of people lie about their coaster counts, anyway.
Once again we run into deffinitions. Mark W. Baruth sounds like he counts Flying Unicorn as a Kiddie Coaster. Personally, I don't. Call it a Family Coaster or a Junior coaster... but not a kiddie coaster... at least in my book. (Can't comment on Woodstock's Express)
Just another opinion though.
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Well, like I stated somewhere above, there are those who do count them as kiddie coasters.
Terminology can be twisted around alot. For instance... was it Goliath in Holland (sorry... I don't know the names of every coaster in existance or their locations). It is a 150+ non looping steel coaster. It has gotten the lable a Junior Hyper. Since when in the world is any coaster that is 150 tall a Junior anything? I have even heard some refer to Hersheypark's Comet as a Junior Woodie.
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I think Goliath (in SFH) got the junior hyper label because it resembled the layout and elements of other Intamin hypers, but it just didn't qualify in height. I am not saying that it is right or wrong...just saying that's how it came about.
Happy Coastering!
Sean
--who has never been called a junior--
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Yes, I realize that... however, I guess I am just being cynical. To me, a 150' coaster classifies as a coaster... no need to slap the Junior label on it.
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Depending on the ride-op, you may be able to ride Ravine Flyer 3 at Waldameer without "borrowing" a kid. At least we were able to. ;)
Regarding "kid-borrowing," I have never done it, although I've thought about it before. What's stopped me is the realization that if I were a parent and some stranger asked me if he/she could ride a coaster like Jr. Gemini with my kid, I would be more than a little disturbed. Don't get me wrong, I keep my track record updated and will ride kiddie coasters to bolster it, and even enjoy some of kiddie coasters in the process, but I definitely try not to be too extreme about it. That said, if you do ride a kiddie coaster, why not count it in your track record? It is a coaster, isn't it?
The jury's still out on Devil's Den for me, too. I'm mostly leaning toward, yes, it's a coaster (sort of like an indoor Wild Mouse).
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MooreOn said:
Regarding "kid-borrowing," I have never done it, although I've thought about it before. What's stopped me is the realization that if I were a parent and some stranger asked me if he/she could ride a coaster like Jr. Gemini with my kid, I would be more than a little disturbed. Don't get me wrong, I keep my track record updated and will ride kiddie coasters to bolster it, and even enjoy some of kiddie coasters in the process, but I definitely try not to be too extreme about it. That said, if you do ride a kiddie coaster, why not count it in your track record? It is a coaster, isn't it?
Hehehe! When I worked at CP at Camp Snoopy. I knew the ride opps but they wouldn't let me ride test run in the mornings I worked.
On one of my days off I payed a little boy $1 to ride Jr. Jemini with me, with his perrents permission of course. I let his parents hold my drivers lincense and employee ID after explaining to them that I look at the coaster 6 days a week and have never had the opportunity to ride it. They didn't mind a bit.
I knew that it was a strange request but I am VERY friendly and outgoing:)
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SFOGeorgia said:
My rule: if it is listed on RCDB, and i rode it i count it. when i went to IOA i really wanted to ride Pteridon Flyers, but i couldn't because i didn't have a kid that was less than 54"(unfortunately, my stepsister was taller for her age), and i have never been on one of Setpoints single rail suspended coasters. however, i did ride flying unicorn, twice actually, and i did count it.
That's one of two kids coasters that I have had the privilege of working at (that and Woodstock Express). I HATED turning people away from P-fliers, especially when it was a kid who was too tall for his/her age. I always thought that the rule was very unfair because P-fliers is a very exciteing and unique ride, even for grown-ups.
While working there, I have been cursed at, threatened, spit on, pushed, swung at, and kicked on a daily basis. It was not pleasent telling people that they couldn't ride. It was a very difficult job to say the least, especially trying to explain WHY they couldn't ride.
Employee: (Smiling) "Hi, I'm sorry but you need a small child to ride this attraction."
Guest: (Smiling also) "No..I want to ride that one." (points up to P-fliers.)
E: "Yes, I'm sorry but that IS P-fliers, and it is an attraction designed for childres between 36 and 54 inches and one adult may ride with each child"
G: (Smile turnes to a frown. Guest looks up at ride vehicle passing by and points) "Well...Why is their two adults on that one?"
E: (Still smiling but in a more fake way) "That was probibly one adult and one child. I'm only doing my job, sir. Sorry."
(Guest turns and leaves while mumbling obscenities as the next grown-up guest steps up and starts speaking a language that employee has never heard.)
One good thing that came out of working there was that I learned how to speak a little spanish and I got to test ride a few times a day before the park opened
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