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Vertigo said:
I would put the money for Batman to another use though. For the price of Batman:The Ride you could build Magnum, Gwazi, Wild Thing, Wicked Twister, Mean Streak, Boulder Dash, Viper(SFMM), or even the Beast. I think it's pitty that you'd spend 10 million for this one ride when you could put more back into your wallet and by a much better ride.
Are you sure that you could build all of those coasters today for less than 10 million. I really don't know but find it hard to believe that a clone of the Beast would cost less than 10 million. Sure it was less when they built it, how many years ago. I would think that with inflation that the Beast would cost well over 10 million, especially if you count the groundwork (tunnels). The same holds true for Magnum, are you sure you know exactly how much it would cost to build it today?
As for Meanstreak, I'd rather have B:TR anyday of the weak. Same thing goes for Wicked Twister. I mean if a park wants a B:TR then obviously it doesn't have a full circuit invert (maybe they'd be getting rid of an SLC, but you get my picture). These are definately crowd pleasers in every park they operate in. In fact B:TR was the longest line I waited in at SFMM, usually the longest at SFStL and many people on this board have mentioned several hour waits for those at other parks. That seems like a coaster worth $10 million. Unlike a coaster that has yet to show any staying power because it's brand new (Wicked Twister), or becomes the stepchild of the family (Meanstreak). Now I'm not trying to say that Wicked Twister isn't worth it's price tag, just that B:TR is tried and true and WT is brand new. Check back with the lines for WT in a decade and see how long they are.
Vertigo, totally respect your opinion, but MY opinion is that you're out of your skull! :)
Insert MY opinion : The Beast today would be well over 10 million dollars today. The Beast was built in the late 70s! The amount of wood they used on the Beast is insane. Very few times does the Beast run under itself so supports can serve twice.
As for B:TR, parks put that particular coaster in because it's a tried and true formula and it fills a need. I dare say, a well maintained full circuit B&M like B:TR will greatly enhance a park rather than ANY shuttle coaster they could ever make.
By the way, seems like someone was saying that B:TR wasn't near that much anymore, and I believe someone ELSE made the note that the B:TR clone was even cheaper than SLCs now. I'm far from stating that as a fact, though.
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Sorrrrrrrry folks! Parks closed. The moose out front should have told you.
I'm not totally sure but I believe a general rate of inflation is around 3%.
Using that figure Magnum which cost $8,000,000 when it was built would cost just under $12,000,000 in today's dollars.
Just an estimation, but it gives you an idea. :)
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Well an SLC is about 10.000.000$
The Great White, wich is almost a clone of the B:TRs is also 10.000.000.
BUT!!! Remember, these are the final official amount of money used on the intire coaster including theming, footers and such.
I don't know about Vekoma, but I do know that Bolliger & Mabillard don't deliver these:
Any kind of footers: Costs up to 10.000$ each.
Any kind of cranes, bulldozers, men ect.
Any kind of buildings, only the sceleton of the station.
Any kind of spare parts: A wheel costs 1.100$
Ect. ect ect.
What I am trying to say is that B & Ms probably are more expensive than atleat Vekoma, and for good reason. Their coasters are better, more reliable, easier to maintain, and the overall quality in steel, trains and capacity, arefar better than most others in the indystri.
*** This post was edited by danish_d on 6/21/2002. ***
danish_d said:
What I am trying to say is that B & Ms probably are more expensive than at least Vekoma, and for good reason. Their coasters are better, more reliable, easier to maintain, and the overall quality in steel, trains and capacity, are far better than most others in the industry.
Nice opinions, however don't confuse them with and present them as facts.
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Homey G. said:
Vertigo, totally respect your opinion, but MY opinion is that you're out of your skull!
Insert MY opinion : The Beast today would be well over 10 million dollars today. The Beast was built in the late 70s! The amount of wood they used on the Beast is insane. Very few times does the Beast run under itself so supports can serve twice.
As for B:TR, parks put that particular coaster in because it's a tried and true formula and it fills a need. I dare say, a well maintained full circuit B&M like B:TR will greatly enhance a park rather than ANY shuttle coaster they could ever make.
By the way, seems like someone was saying that B:TR wasn't near that much anymore, and I believe someone ELSE made the note that the B:TR clone was even cheaper than SLCs now. I'm far from stating that as a fact, though.
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Sorrrrrrrry folks! Parks closed. The moose out front should have told you.
Your forgeting something big there though:
(1)wood is much cheaper than steel is
(2)some of the wood came from PKI's on haul
(3) c.20 years ago wood was much much cheaper and there was a larger surplus as well
(4)Beast is not as complex in terms of ayout and doesn't need a large supportign strucure. If it was about the length then Ghostrider shouldn't of cost as much as Millenium Force, but there is a major difference there. Beast is fit to terrain and most of the track is low to the ground making for much less supports and barely any custom support structrures along the course. Ghostrider however has a pretty massive structure and had to be weaved over and under many places.
Teenage Ninja said:
But then again Dark Knight is floorless not inverted. PKI needs a freakin Beemer!-----------------
Can we change the name of Top Gun to your mom so no one wants to ride your mom?
I reckon new zealand needs one of the freakin things, we have a 20yr old arrow AND IT HURTZ!!!!!!!.........if god is out there he WILL give us a beemer...................
we have an intamin giant drop though which is fun......sort of
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Flying Dutchman: I have only been on 2 B:TR's (SFMM, SFOT) But I LOVE the ride every time I ride it. Of the inverts I have been on (Raptor, Great Bear, Top Gun PGA & B:TR) Batman is BY FAR more intense. I think Six Flags has a winning design with B:TR, and they would rather have a guaranteed crowd pleaser than take a chance that they would end up with a stinker. Then again B&M don't make it a habbit of building stinkers.
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No one is going to argue that B:TR is not one of the most (if not the most) intense inverted coasters out there, but intensity does not make the ride.
Then again, I found SFMM's B:TR to be much smoother and more enjoyable than SFGAm's, but neither as enjoyable as Raptor, Montu, Alpengeist or either of the Dueling Dragons. Of course, none of those are as intense as either B:TR, but again, they provide a more, I guess, fulfilling ride. My favorite inverted coaster (and possibly overall) is Raptor, not because it shoots me from one element to another with blinding speed, but because it does it in a more interesting way. I can honestly say I feel much more week kneed after a spin on Raptor than I ever had on either B:TR.
Iron Wolf is not a clone, (as it was B&M's first coaster), but it does look a lot like (but not EXACTLY like) SFAW's Batman: The Escape, an older Intamin standup that B&M undoubtedly had a hand in before actually becoming B&M. And frankly, I find the first halves of Medusa west and Kraken to be nearly identical.
Back to Batman... The design came out of a lack of space and ease of reprduction for SF. SFGAm's plot of land (where the shuttle Tidal Wave previously sat) was not big at all. They got a compact design, and SF decided it would be more economical to clone it than get a custom design for each other park. (Ok, so it is a hunch...)
P.S. I have a hard time referring to B:TR's design as the 'Six Flags Inverted Coaster' because it was also cloned for Sea World Texas. (Great White.) I believe that is a SFSL (backwards) edition, though.
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Kurt Cobain said:
There is no clone of Raptor that invert in Japan is smaller than Raptor. BTR at Sf STL doesn't usually have the longest line that would be Mr. Freeze then the Boss. Anyways Batman the ride is good but I prefer Raptor or Montu over that.
Actually, Raptor is smaller than Orochi. Orochi features many minor improvements from Raptor, which made it longer, while keeping the same layout. All in all, Orochi gave a better and more intensive ride to me than Raptor, but Raptor's crew was much better.
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About Dark Night, the Taiwanese coaster (Crazy Flying Coaster) opened first but was almost ignored for weeks before the west caught up. As for Batmans I haven't ridden one but of all the Inverters I have one I prefer then smaller and regular use of collisions. Nemesis and Ice Dragon for example.
Wilko
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