Silver Bullet overbank, B&M's first?

Is the overbanked turn on Silver Bullet B&M's first? Or have they used it before?

The turn after Talon's Immelman looks to be overbaked. See here.

All of the Batman the Ride models have an overbanked turn between the two corks. It's angle is just over vertical, maybe 100 degrees or so.

To be fair, although they have done overbanks, I don't think they have designed one that was that large, tall, and fast.

.....and that overbanked. That is almost an inversion!

It's an inverted Stengle dive.

You're right, I forgot about the Batman rides. They are closer to horizontal than vertical, but overbanked nonetheless.

Those tight hairpin turns on Batman(s), Dueling Dragons, and Talon place you at just under a complete horizontal position. Silver Bullet's turn comes close to completely inverting you.

I was thinking that it resembled a Stengel-Dive, too.
And what a pretty and elegant form this turn describes. It looks wonderful and sleek.

IMO its a pity that it is followed by a cobra-roll (my least favourite element) and not a batwing.

Eurostar has an extreme overbank which connects the loop and the zero-g-roll. But thats no B&M of course.

...at first I was going to disagree, but the thing does look more like a Stengel Dive than not look like a Stengel Dive.
There are one major and a minor difference between this Dive and the one on Goliath at Six Flags Holland:

1.The one on Goliath only makes a 45-degree turn, Silverbullet performs 90 degrees on that turn.
2.The twisting on Goliath seems to happen a little more suddenly a little bit further up the hill (if I am correct). The element starts out like a regular airtime hill, seemingly turning the airtime into positive Gs by flipping the train over at the top, and then back - ending in an almost un-bending curve. Silver Bullet seems to be twisting more smoothly and has a very pronounced 90 turn to perform.

The element of Goliath at SFH is really it's absolutely coolest feature - next to the extreme airtime on the other hills and the bunny hops at the end - the long "endurance" helixes however really annoyed me (aka made me nauseous).
Maybe I'm just not the 100% Intamin coaster type.

B&M are really great at composing great coasters - this overbank looks like so much fun that I'm really envious about you guys living closer to that thing.

BTW, there's some glimpses of it here:
http://www.westcoaster.net/update.php?id=0823041
*** Edited 8/25/2004 9:03:36 PM UTC by superman***

OK, OK...I should have said "resembles the Stengle dive"....sheesh!

IMO its a pity that it is followed by a cobra-roll (my least favourite element) and not a batwing.

I agree! It would be really cool to have the coaster dive under the walkway into Indian Trails but I don't think that was a realistic option.

mOOSH

Stengle Dive...Shmengle dive...banked or overbanked...I can't follow where you guys are coming from, but it sure looks fun! :-)

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tricktrack said:

IMO its a pity that it is followed by a cobra-roll (my least favourite element) and not a batwing.

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Sorry to get off topic for a second but when you mentioned that it made me think of my recent ride on Raptor and my ride on Montu. I must say comparing the Batwing and Cobra Roll on these two inverts...I would also take the Batwing over the Cobra Roll.

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Mamoosh said:
OK, OK...I should have said "resembles the Stengle dive"....sheesh!

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There you go, I just couldn't keep my enthusiasm for insane inversions from bursting out into this topic and all I end up with is sounding like a pettifogger.

:.(

What is a Stengel Dive after all?
Is it really worth ruining your precious relationships to other people?
Maybe I should have simply shut up and enjoyed the wordless beauty of coaster riding.
But then again, there is the brain, there is the machine for analysing the world. And then there is this endless need for communication -
people talking to each other.
Waiting in line for a coaster, it might actually be better to get into a fight about Stengel Dives than to numbly stare at the decaying decoration. You know, a little quarrel or fight may actually help keeping relationships alive - whithout them, life can end up being a real bore - a fact hard to accept for a harmony-seeking person as myself.
But sometimes you just need to go out and go straight into the conflict instead of quibbling around all by yourself.
Quibbling can be such a lonely business.
But life after all people got quibbled off can be even lonelier.
So - what do you think I should do?

hugs, jo *** Edited 8/26/2004 8:44:55 AM UTC by superman***

Stengel Dive

Silver Bullet's overbank

Slightly off topic, but does anyone here know for sure if they're putting the water back in Reflection Lake? That would certainly enhance and make even better this already awesome looking ride! I sure glad I'm making my first trip out to So-Cal next year! :)

Wow, Moosh. That's a great shot of the overbank. I cannot wait till this sucker opens. Thanks!

I think I'll consider that "overbank" an inversion just to make myself happy. Does anyone know if Silver Bullet has a block anywhere on the duration of the ride? I seem to remember that on the video preview of the ride there was no block, but I could be mistaken.

Yes Dilinator, the water will be put back after the ride is complete. Supposely even the boat will come back too, but not until later. And with the supports in the way, most likely a shorter route (which wouldn't be a bad thing on that ride...it's a little boring!) :)

You know, coaster layouts are getting so advanced in what they can do that it gets harder and harder to classify individual 'pieces' as elements with unique names.

Which leads to a second question. (even though, oddly enough, there hasn't been a first question - go figure)

When does a section of track become unique enough to require an element 'classification' for standardized understanding in description vs when it is just a 'cool little section of track'?

-Gonch
Mood Killer

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