SFoT Age based discount coupon

Tuesday, March 11, 2008 1:42 PM
Lord Gonchar's avatar

How is a single mom with 2 kids that can barely pay admission going to look at this?

I dunno. How is the family who can't afford to go in the first place going to look at your single mom?

I guess my point is where do you draw the line?

To me, to draw that line in the park misses the point entirely. If you're so worried about the haves and have-nots, then the line must certainly lie outside the gate (or at least right on it).


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Tuesday, March 11, 2008 1:49 PM
Good point, Gonch. But I'm coming from the POV of having a single Mom and being able to go to Great America once a summer. That was our vacation. Sure, there were kids I knew that didn't even get that.

And alot of that is our society. Luckily, my mother kicked butt and is now very successful. But not everyone can do that. We're human at the core.

Amusement parks are the topic here and important to me that's why I use that example.

If I was my single mom taking us to Great America today instead of 1980, I could only imagine what it would be like (not to mention the HORROR of the Demon's soundtrack not being there! I got it if anyone needs it...)

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Tuesday, March 11, 2008 1:52 PM

CoasterComet said:


ERT is usually when the park is closed to the paying public though, right?

I mean, if people want to rent out a park or ride (ERT) when it's not going to infringe on other's payed time in the park (or ride) what's the problem?


If anything, it's even MORE exclusive than a line-queueing system. Even SF--who many shriek about for selling FastPasses and Q-bots--thinks so. Remember the 'Dream Night' contests?

Those in glass houses blah blah blah. I'm just sayin'.

-CO


NOTE: Severe fecal impaction may render the above words highly debatable.

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Tuesday, March 11, 2008 2:00 PM

Lord Gonchar said:
Speaking of which did anyone notice that SF's attendance was actually up for 2007 (ok, just a hair, but up is up, right? ) :

"Attendance for 2007 was 24.9 million, up 0.1 million compared to 2006 despite 40 (1.4%) fewer park operating days."


SFDK, and I think SFFT weren't open before in the Christmas season. So, what's the point? It sounds like they counted those two parks for attendance in 2007, but maybe they didn't count them in the fewer operating days because they weren't open in 2006.

Considering they lost attendance by a substantial number when they took over, it doesn't show me a whole lot. I know at SFStL, Tony Hawk didn't do nothing based on attendance.

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Tuesday, March 11, 2008 2:06 PM
I think Gonch's point was this:

The predicted stampede for the exits due to guests furious over Q-Bots and FastPasses never happened.

-CO

*** Edited 3/11/2008 6:07:27 PM UTC by CoastaPlaya***


NOTE: Severe fecal impaction may render the above words highly debatable.

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Tuesday, March 11, 2008 2:14 PM
^Got it, Playa.

Per your sig, did you get your fiber today ? hehehe :)

I can agree with the point - but it's somewhat irrelevant (not to the corporation, of course). I mean, do you see people running to leave America, quick to stop their insurance or stop their cable ... I mean, it all happens, but it's still nice when people have passion and speak their voice (which I think we are all doing pretty good here).

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Tuesday, March 11, 2008 2:45 PM
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Spinout said:
SFDK, and I think SFFT weren't open before in the Christmas season. So, what's the point? It sounds like they counted those two parks for attendance in 2007, but maybe they didn't count them in the fewer operating days because they weren't open in 2006.

Wow! Did you read what I quoted? The park did 100,000 more guests (a 0.4% increase) on 40 less days (a 1.4% decrease). That includes all parks on all days they were open...no one is trying to trick you here.


Considering they lost attendance by a substantial number when they took over, it doesn't show me a whole lot.

That's simply not true. Red Zone took over in December of 2005. They only seasons under their belt are 2006 and 2007.

The 2005 year-end numbers were 26.8 million.
The 2006 year-end numbers were 28.5 million.

Numbers went WAY up when that year. However, that's right when they sold off several parks, so the attendance numbers got reported without including the sold parks.

The attendance number not including the sale parks was 24.8 million. It looks like a loss, but it's not on a same-park basis.

In 2007, the attendance number was 24.9 million.

Attendance has grown both seasons that Red Zone has controlled the company.

Which leads to my point...and since 'Playa said it so well, I'll just quote it:

"Gonch's point was this:

The predicted stampede for the exits due to guests furious over Q-Bots and FastPasses never happened."

And that's exactly my not-so-subtle point. :)


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Tuesday, March 11, 2008 3:50 PM
It is ever so inconvenient when the data don't support the claim, isn't it?
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Tuesday, March 11, 2008 10:21 PM

Keith2005 said:
We have a similar coupon at Fiesta Texas. However, it's for any store-bought transaction.

So, a couple of use were thinking. Could we grab a 105 year old, and ask for the whole store, and they would have to pay us 5% of cost?

It's an interesting idea.

Otherwise, I think it's great. Too bad ours is limited to June 24th.


I'd love to see the expressions on the faces of the managers of the store if someone tried that (or even 95 years or older). They'd probably come up with some stupid excuse not to honor it. If I was 105, I wouldn't expect to be paid to take merchandise, but to get the items for free.

It's an interesting promotion. *** Edited 3/12/2008 5:19:28 PM UTC by YoshiFan***

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Tuesday, March 11, 2008 11:01 PM
Back to one of the original questions-- no, it isn't age discrimination. A business isn't under any obligation to offer any kind of discount from its regular prices. Be glad you get discounts at all.

Besides, don't most parks already offer reduced prices for seniors and kids? I don't think most people consider that age discrimination. Rather, it's based more on what's available to and what's used by those groups.

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Wednesday, March 12, 2008 5:02 AM
And I'm sure that those of you who believe it is age discrimination would have a different idea if you were a senior and had to pay paying full price for only being able to do barely half of the stuff at the park. *** Edited 3/12/2008 9:03:43 AM UTC by Keith2005***
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Friday, March 14, 2008 6:40 AM
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ApolloAndy said:I got my SFoT season pass coupon book for this year and there's a coupon for an aged based discount on admission for a certain day. Specifically, your age (verified by driver's license) is your percent off.First of all, is this not age discrimination?Second, is it a good idea? Is it something that could be used regularly to filter the crowd in a particular way?

Well to quote this way before this topic got Hijacked by Six Flags Bashers.

Too me this sounds like a fun price plan. (I wonder if Six Flags Pays 105 year old to visit or that there's something in the fine print to have a maximum discount rate?, If you have the coupon please bring me to light on that fine print if its there.)

For one I have seen this buried in the tread here, if age discrimination was not allowed, everyone and I mean everyone would have to pay one price for admission (and probably existing adult rate) no matter if their and infant or a 105 year old. Also I kinda like the idea for this promotion it seems kinda cool for a deal like this.

I don't really see this much in crowd filtering here. I am willing to bet there are other ways of getting good discounts on these days for other people especially for the younger people which I guess many of you are here, and then it doesn't matter to Season Pass holders anyway about this plan as they already paid one price for the whole year, and this would just be another day.

In closing I hope these answers your questions to the best of my knowledge.


Chris Knight

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Friday, March 14, 2008 10:16 AM
rollergator's avatar The best thing about the discount...more older people makes for a better atmosphere all around. It's kind of volunteer security, LOL, and the intergenerational aspect is one of the GREAT things about Disney in specific that's hard to find at the regional themers. (There are older people with bad attitudes, but they wouldn't come to the amusement park anyway).

As I get older, I like older people more than younger people anyway...LOL! :)

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Friday, March 14, 2008 1:17 PM
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RatherGoodBear said:
Back to one of the original questions-- no, it isn't age discrimination. A business isn't under any obligation to offer any kind of discount from its regular prices. Be glad you get discounts at all.

Just to play devil's advocate (admitting that most parks already have age based discounts) a business certainly couldn't offer discounts to only one race and get away with it.


Hobbes: "What's the point of attaching a number to everything you do?"
Calvin: "If your numbers go up, it means you're having more fun."

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Friday, March 14, 2008 5:25 PM
matt.'s avatar Please tell me we're not going to spend the rest of this thread comparing a ticket discount based on a consumer's age and a ticket discount based on a consumer's race.
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