SFO 8/4 - What I'd expected.

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Wednesday, August 9, 2000 8:30 AM
Well, after living only 2 hours away for 30 years, I thought it would be about time that I go check this park out for the first time. After reading so many reviews of this park on this site, I kept my expectations very low.

Brian and I arrived at the park around noon (well, I should say the parking lot) as it seemed like it took about 30 minutes for us to park our car. After paying the ridiculous amount to park ($7), 5 lanes of traffic filtered into one lane leading to the parking area (I almost expected to see PennDOT construction barrels, as I felt like I was back on the Parkway East in Pittsburgh!)

After finally getting to our spot, we walked to the entrance gates (bypassing the ticket windows, since we had our free AOL tickets) They only had 2 gates open, with about 50 - 60 people trying to get in (Not even in the park, and I have yet to have even an inkling of a positive impresion!)

After entering, we needed to eat first. I was having a craving for "amusement park" food, but was disappointed to look around and see Pizza Huts, Subways, Mr. Hero's (If I had known this, I would have just ate somewhere on the turnpike) So we ate at the Mr. Hero's near Villain. ($8 for a tiny burger, fries & drink - man, I should have ate on the turnpike!)

Rather than doing a play by play, I'll just discuss this ride by ride...

The Villain:
Man, this is a great coaster!!! Smooth, comfortable, fast and fun!! This one now ranks as my #1 woodie!! I just wish that the structure itself was made entirely of wood. I just could not get used to seeing a wood coaster, with steel supports. Outside of seeing the trains constantly stacked (2 train operation, mind you) I had no complaints about this coaster! If I could build a coaster in my backyard, this would be it!!

Batman: Knight Flight:
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Big Dipper:
Closed...

Double Loop, Mind Eraser & Road Runner Exp.:
Decided to skip these rides..

The park in general:
SFO is a park that could potentially be a really good park. If only they could train their staff to be friendly, and not stack trains, this would greatly improve the SFO experience. By and large, this park is not equipped to handle the capacity of crowds they accomodate. The midways are far too narrow, a general "flow" of the park seems to be lacking as well. The food service is much less than stellar, as I would recommend visitors to eat outside of the park.

The Villain is the only thing that would bring me back to the park in the future. Like Jeff stated earlier "...I constantly ask myself why three great rides have to be in such an evil place." I must agree with you 100%!

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Neil
Pittsburgh, PA
www.geocities.com/neildeweese
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Wednesday, August 9, 2000 8:40 AM
Wow, another TR that sounded exactly like mine. Speaking of Batman when I was there last and the reason why I saw chaos on the platform, is apparently everyone wanted the front seat, so, you have a million people crowded around the front of the train, while you have empty stalls for the rest of the seats. I was like no wonder its taking so long. But, I agree with your assessment about the park.
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Wednesday, August 9, 2000 12:58 PM
"SFO is a park that could potentially be a really good park"
i have said this too. the park is only half hour away from me. i have been going there since i was a baby. i really enjoy this park, except it seems to bring out a lot of redneck mullet unfriendly people. i dont know why, it just does. they terribly need to fix the "food" problem. its terrible they dont have amusement food. they need to get better ops, better food, and more secruity. then, it will be a great park. too bad you didnt ride big dipper, it is my #2 woody. something like blue streak, but much better. great tr. serial thriller was one of my favorite coasters last year, but it got extremely rough and they got bad otsr's. they used to have awesome padding like on ol:fof.
-Mike
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48.6mi. - CP
27.2mi. - SFO
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3 MF rides:
3-2, 5-1, 9-2
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Wednesday, August 9, 2000 9:29 PM
I am trying to figure out why you guys look forward to amusement park food. If they have a Subway and Pizza Hut in the park I would be happy. Although those two places arent gourmet, I find them better than park food. That is like looking forward to ballpark food. YUCK!!!! I am perfectly content to visiting Lonestar Steakhouse outside of the park(SFGAm).

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"DONT FIGHT IT, RIDE IT",,,,RAGING BULL
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Thursday, August 10, 2000 5:27 AM
Yeah, but when you go to a Subway or Pizza Hut, you expect it to be priced accordingly, not twice what it would be outside of the park. I can get that stuff anywhere, even a few blocks from me anywhere downtown at work. Granted, some park food is quite bad (cough-Paramount-cough), but places like BGW, CP and Kennywood nail it every time with their own food.

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Jeff
Webmaster/Admin - CoasterBuzz.com
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Thursday, August 10, 2000 5:35 AM
Chitown: While I absolutely LOVE Lonestar, it just wouldn't be the same to go to a park and not have something to eat. Granted, I prefer the snacks and goodies to the regular food (e.g. elephant ears aka funnel cakes) but some parks are great (DisneyLand is the first that comes to mind) not "Nick's Fishmarket" great but good nevertheless
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Thursday, August 10, 2000 6:30 AM
Another thing that I noticed at SFO, is that there are beer (now there's my favorite subject) stands about every 50 feet or so. Not that I'm complaining about beer, but isn't that a bit much? To me, I would think that it encourages people to drink a lot, therefore guests can become rowdy and perhaps even teetering on being a nuisance?

I tend to like how CP has only a few places that you can go and enjoy a brew, without having it out there tempting the underage crowd.

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Neil
Pittsburgh, PA
www.geocities.com/neildeweese
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Thursday, August 10, 2000 7:21 AM
SFO has beer? No fair!! SFMM has no beer, no wine, no liquor, not even an O'doule's (barf). I guess we can't have all of those gangbangers getting drunk and rowdy.

*note*
The gangbanger comment was meant as a humorous jab at the numerous comments about SFMM having trouble with gangs. I have never personally noticed even a slight gang problem at the Mountain. I have now, most likely, caused this thread to be closed down, sorry.
*end of note*

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Gotta ride 'em all!
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Thursday, August 10, 2000 10:12 AM
When I was at SFMM a couple years ago my wife and I tried to order a beer at one of the restaurants. When we were told they did not serve alcohol of any kind, after we picked our jaws up off the floor, I politely asked why. The waitress explained that they used to, but stopped because of problems with gangs. Oh well. By the way, the park was quite crowded that day, and we certainly saw no evidence of "gang" activity, whatever that might be.

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Age and treachery will always overcome youth and skill.
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Thursday, August 10, 2000 12:05 PM
Well, I am still going to SFO because of my free ticket. My one observation. Everybody is complaining about how messed up BKF or Serial thriller is. Nobody talks about Villain or S:UE!! That means that those rides must be sweet!!!

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DOWN WITH TRIM BRAKES!
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Thursday, August 10, 2000 12:24 PM
Trust me when I say, you'll want to have Villain recreated in your backyard!!

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Neil
Pittsburgh, PA
www.geocities.com/neildeweese
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Thursday, August 10, 2000 12:38 PM
maybe thats why sfo brings out the redneck-mullet people, beer stands everywhere. either that ot, those annoying commercials that play every 5 minutes on every channel. i want to shoot the lady that sang that song. THIS IS THE THRIIIIIIIIIL THATS SOOOOOOOOOOO ALIIIIIIVE
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48.6mi. - CP
27.2mi. - SFO
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3 MF rides:
3-2, 5-1, 9-2
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Thursday, August 10, 2000 12:46 PM
They actually have beer stands? As in you can walk around the park with a brew? Most of the parks that I've been to where I have noticed beer (ummmm...beeeerrrr..D'OH!) that have is confined to a tent or pagoda area.
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Friday, August 11, 2000 2:14 AM
You want beer in a park? Go to IOA. Beer stands everywhere, 2 FULLY STOCKED BARS, Happy Hour from 3 to 6 with $2 16 oz Molson's and Citywalk right outside which is rediculous. Best tip: Don't Drive there if you like beer!
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Friday, August 11, 2000 7:52 PM
Speaking of SFMM Gang problems, Being in the outskriks of LA in the Grapevine, they might be suseptible. I geuss why this explains the metal detecters and security gaurds troughly expexting your bags!

Todd

Riddler's Revenge: The most underrated ride in the world!
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