For those of you who claim that it can't be a floorless due to the short height, check out the renderings. It shows a tunnel at the end of the first drop. That would make it about 140 ft don't you think? That's something to think about.
yeah I have to agree with the idea of a floorless because i have a feeling that the straight section on the renderings is going to have to be a zero-G roll. I think that would make the ride much more intense and most excellent.
zero-g rolls usually have a twist in them in the renderings. a little shift of the track in one direction or another. the straight section is probably block breaks. this makes sense if it is a stand-up (which I believe it is) because SU's haven't had zero-g rolls before. also, if you look at the area behind the station, it shows room for three trains (there are two seperate storage tracks). so block breaks would make sense to keep the trains from stacking, though I'm sure six flags will find some way to stack the trains. if its not breaks, I would say its a bunny hill. and that would be truly awesome sepecially for a stand-up.
as for why type of ride: my personal opinion is stand-up. it could be a floorless, and not for the reasons mentioned above because I doubt you could gain that much height by that small of a tunnel, for the simple reason that just because B&M haven't made a small floorless doesn't mean they can't. as for it being an inverted (brought up in another topic), well according to a rendering the lift hill doesn't have inverted track, it has normal track.
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sfne guy said: I hope its a Floorless though, even though Ive never ridden a standup I think standing on a coaster is not very comfortable.
That statement makes no sense. You might say that you think it wouldn't be comfortable, but not that it isn't. Once you've ridden one, feel free to make the judgement, but don't make up your mind before you try one. B&M stand-ups are awesome, IMO...you should try riding one, then decide.
ok my bad, I meant to say it doesnt look very comfortable. Say standing in line for 2 hours and then standing for the entire ride doesnt appeal to me very much but It just may be better than a floorless I dont know.
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The SFNE coaster only has 2 trains. There are only 2 maintenance tracks, not 3. Also, on blueprints, a zero-g roll shows up as a straight line as well. Therefore, that straight section could either be a zero-g or bunny hill. However, im going with a bunny hill because its going through the zero-g roll and im not thinking that its that high. Also, im leaning on a floorless since that is the info i have received. ----------------- Take a Virtual Ride:
The SFNE coaster definitely has only two trains because it is going to be such a short ride so the short section is most likely not a block brake. Most B&M stand-ups do not have a bunny hill or an zero-G roll, so i have to say that is going to be a floorless.
I attended the Board of Appeals meeting and they confirmed there were only 2 trains on this coaster. That destroys the block-brake theory. Second, B&M has never put a bunny hill or a zer g roll on their Stand-Ups, and although this could be a first, my gut feeling is that itz a zero g roll. Knowing B&M and how they make every coaster of their's great, and since the layout isn't the best compared to other B&M loopers, I would assume they would spice it up with a zero g roll. Just my opinions
Riddlers Revenge has a huge bunnyhop also Intamin's stand up coaster Shockwave at Drayton Manor has a zero'g roll. So it's not impossible for B&M to add one to their design, and the new B&M called Superman in the new Warner Bros. Movie World will have a bunnyhop instead of a MCBR. Maybe B&M are doing thing's different with their layout instead of the same order of element's that they have been using.
also to say on topic I think it will be a stand up coaster with a bunnyhop, if B&M want's to get flashy(lol) then possibly a zero'g roll
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just to keep in mind (and I know it probably sounds like I'm really hoping it a stand-up, but I am!) there wasn't a bunny hill on an inverted before Dueling Dragons. I know its kinda of short to have block breaks, but I was just trying to examine all possibilities. has anyone heard if there are supposed to be four or five inversions? ----------------- Jay and Silent Bob have left the building ~Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back
I'm not sure why they would draw a zero G roll as a straight line, if it's a sit down coaster. A 0G moves to one side during the maneuver, so the train stays centered and rotates about it's axis. On Inverts, it could be a straight line. ----------------- Jman Webmaster: Gravibulb Coasters http://balder.prohosting.com/gravbulb/coasters/
I have seen blueprints of B&M coasters, zero-g rolls do show up as straight lines, however, there is some text next to it that says "Camelback, Zero-G Roll" or something like that. My sources tell me its a floorless. It might be a short one, but its still a B&M, so thats fine by me.
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I have a couple of points to make: 1. Zero-G rolls DO NOT show up as straight lines on blueprints. Check out Katun and Talon below. The zero-g roll is the kink after the vertical loop. http://www.coaster-network.com/bm/bm/katun.10.jpg http://www.coaster-network.com/bm/bm/d2.jpg 2. I don't believe that is a tunnel at the bottom of the first drop. If you look closely, it says "themed walls." That makes me think it will be a trench, so maybe it will be up to 10 feet below ground level. 3. I've been set on standup mainly becuase B&M haven't ever built a floorless this small. Yesterday I found out there is a 130', ~2700' floorless being built currently at Janfusun Fancyworld in Taiwan. Look here: http://www.rcdb.com/installationdetail1500.htm So I guess it is a possibility.
There's no reason I can think of that it couldn't be a stand-up, other than the fact that such a small layout will lead to head banging in the quick direction changes. Iron Wolf is notorious for that. I think it tracks smooth, but the quick transitions are bad when your head is that far away from the track. There are even two spots on Mantis that I feel that way about.
I'm betting on looper or floorless.
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Small and floorless, that sounds like a good combination. Stand-ups are popular for crowds, although they are not my favorites, Vortex at Carowinds hurts, the Georgia Scorcher, however, which has limited space, is incredibly smooth, so much that eveybody I've met loves the Scorcher because of its' smoothness. Especially compared to Mantis.
Regular loopers are the ride that draws me, and quite frankly they've had short lines the past few years, and mysteries(DF), it's like a decline in popularity, so I hope for a comeback of the sit-down looper, this one may be hope. Think about the next modern sit-down looper, think it'll have OTSR? I think not.
The rumors about SFNE receiving a floorless have been around for an eternity. Would make sense that this would follow up the Intamin hyper. I hope SFMW will follow the floorless with a hyper. ;) ----------------- What is hateful to you, do not to your fellowman. That is the entire law; all the rest is commentary. -The Talmud
When will they announce the final details of the coaster (type, name, theming, etc.)? If construction is scheduled to begin in November, it will probably be within the next month I hope. -----------------