SFMM to get New Coaster in 2009

Friday, February 22, 2008 11:43 AM
According to an article of Shapiro "talking about the future" at SFMM There will be a new coaster in 2009. He comments on the new additions for this year including X2 and its 6 million dollar trains. Plus starting to add story to line like Disney has done (wonder where in the park we will see that).

Then he says SFMM will get its first new coaster since X in 2002 next year. It's said to be one more to Shapiros liking not as intense by the sounds. Looks like theres a Dark Knight or a certain skate boarder coming to town in 2009.

http://www.dailynews.com/news/ci_8330150

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Friday, February 22, 2008 12:05 PM
sounds like this reporter needs to get the facts down: X, as we all know, was not last coaster added to MM. Scream! arrived in 2003, and Tatsu was added in 2006.

Not in any way hedging the entire meaning of my life on a mere mention of a new MM coaster next year, but my bet would be wood. In a recent interview with another park fansite administrator, Mr. Shapiro noted that he prefers drops over loops, and that his favorite ride in the park is Goliath. Good taste he's got if you ask me - though my vote's for The Riddler.

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Friday, February 22, 2008 12:27 PM
I could see them getting a GCI.
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Friday, February 22, 2008 12:38 PM
^After Evel Knievel, and Psyclone....makes ALOT of sense.

If not wood, go spinny.

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Friday, February 22, 2008 1:14 PM
I could also see them getting a GCI. Then again, I could also see them getting an Intamin P&P. California's Great America is also getting a GCI next year. Not that one firm can't build two coasters in the same state in the same year, but something tells me Cedar Fair would have put something in their contract with Great Coasters for the CGA ride that wouldn't allow that.
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Friday, February 22, 2008 1:22 PM
I can tell you this much: it won't have inversions.

EDIT - what I found most encouraging in the interview was his comment about removing old rides in need of repair and their eventual plan to replace them. I hope that happens soon.

*** Edited 2/22/2008 6:47:02 PM UTC by Mamoosh***

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Friday, February 22, 2008 2:07 PM
I hope they start building more rides with a 48" and below minimum height restriction.

The 3-Point Challange Game replacing the Tilt A Whirl will be a goldmine. (not mentioned in the article, but in fact happening)

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Friday, February 22, 2008 2:25 PM
Well I posted a link to the pics and interview but for some BS reason it was deleted. I thought this was suppose to be a coaster and park industry site but i guess since it wasnt about CF parks it got deleted.
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Friday, February 22, 2008 2:33 PM

Seahawk & the Wave said:I could also see them getting a GCI. Then again, I could also see them getting an Intamin P&P. California's Great America is also getting a GCI next year. Not that one firm can't build two coasters in the same state in the same year, but something tells me Cedar Fair would have put something in their contract with Great Coasters for the CGA ride that wouldn't allow that.

Same "state", but really in name only. SFMM and CGA are in two distant and distinct markets. KBF is in competition with SFMM, and SFMW (which already has a GCII, crappy as it is) is in competition with CGA.

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Friday, February 22, 2008 2:52 PM
AJ - the reason your link was deleted has nothing to so with any pro-CP bias. Simply stated, linking to "that site" is forbidden here. I'll leave it to Jeff or one of the mods to explain why (for the gazillionth time) but it is NOT a "BS reason."

*** Edited 2/22/2008 7:53:22 PM UTC by Mamoosh***

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Friday, February 22, 2008 3:11 PM
I think other parks should announce coasters like this. Nothing specific yet, just that 'you can expect a coaster in 2009'.

Frankly, I'm over the whole get a coaster halfway built, all the while denying its existence (TTD/Maverick!), and then make a way overdue and overhyped announcement after the season ends. I just don't see the point in going that route because in the end it just causes frustration for people who follow coasters.

This way, there's still curiosity and speculation, but it just takes an edge off of it, for some reason.

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Friday, February 22, 2008 3:40 PM

Mamoosh said:
AJ - the reason your link was deleted has nothing to so with any pro-CP bias. Simply stated, linking to "that site" is forbidden here. I'll leave it to Jeff or one of the mods to explain why (for the gazillionth time) but it is NOT a "BS reason."

*** Edited 2/22/2008 7:53:22 PM UTC by Mamoosh***


Where is this list of forbidden sites? What difference should it make, it if its news about the industry? So if you ask me thats total BS. If the Putz has a personal problem with a site he shouldnt let it affect news. IMO he should put his ego a side. Can we link to another site that has a link to the sites he doesnt like? I didnt see any list in the TOS when i joined this site 7 years ago. Where is the contact link on this site? *** Edited 2/22/2008 8:42:03 PM UTC by Ajrides***

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Friday, February 22, 2008 4:05 PM
AJ, take a deep breath. When a mod gets here, they'll explain it better, but IIRC it had to do with an unsolicited spamming of everyone on THIS site at one point. I also vaguely recall some sort of denial re: said spamming.

As for "contact link", this is the suggestions forum: http://www.coasterbuzz.com/forum.aspx?mode=topics&ForumID=20

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Friday, February 22, 2008 4:06 PM
Whether you agree or not with the site in question, one cannot deny that they are currently featuring an interesting recorded interview with Mark Shapiro. This is unquestionably newsworthy material. Just my €0.02 as usual.
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Friday, February 22, 2008 4:11 PM
^No fair, Richard gets double our 2 cents' worth! ;)
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Friday, February 22, 2008 5:04 PM

rollergator said:
Same "state", but really in name only. SFMM and CGA are in two distant and distinct markets. KBF is in competition with SFMM, and SFMW (which already has a GCII, crappy as it is) is in competition with CGA.

Whoa whoa whoa there. I resent the comment about Roar being crappy! It fell into a bit of disrepair last season, but I've found that usually it is kept up quite well. After the ACE event last year, it sure has been taking a lot of heat.

Roar, I still love you!


Oh yeah, I meant to say you're right on the money that northern California and southern California are two completely different markets. People from the north also visit parks in the south, but it doesn't really go both ways.
*** Edited 2/22/2008 10:04:21 PM UTC by GoliathKills***

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Friday, February 22, 2008 5:05 PM

Richard Bannister said:
This is unquestionably newsworthy material.

Which is why you shouldn't depend on one source for your news, coaster-related or otherwise. I'm not speaking for the powers-that-be but If *I* were running this site, I wouldn't feel obligated to cover every inch of the coaster world, nor would I feel like that was my goal.

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Friday, February 22, 2008 5:53 PM
It sounds like a Tony Hawk coaster to me. The pr person once said that they would like one, and Shapiro talked about it in an interview. He didn't say for sure they are getting one, but he kind of hinted at it.

People all of sudden love Magic Mountain. The last time I have heard, how many roller coasters are down? It's nice about the new improvements, but they still can't get all the rides open. Spin Out (is down now even though it's going to be knocked down.), X^2 (refurbishing), Ninja (because of Jet Stream), Gold Rusher (for painting), Jet Stream, Scream! (It was down for a day when someone went to the park), and Deja Vu (for annual maintenace). Who knows if Baveryn Kurve is up or down?

Go to the park tomorrow, and see how many rides are not open. Oh, that's what the problem was with the old regime. I go to the park, and there are roller coasters that aren't open. How is this any different? Now, you give the park a break because they are "fixing" the park. He's going for cheap rides. It's all about what doesn't cost that much.

He replaces the Tilt-A-Whirl, and the new spinny rides are the new Wiggle's World rides which are completely different size wise compared to the Tilt-A-Whirl. The Tilt-A-Whirl can accomodate many guests (from 5-100) whereas the kids rides are only for kids, and there parents. He likes taking medium rides out, and he doesn't sound like he's going to replace them.

Dump a lot of rides so he doesn't have to pay the employees to operate them. It works fine for Busch Gardens Tampa because they have animals, and it's a tourist area anyway. It can't work for Six Flags without something else for people to do.

Is it just me, or do I remember that people complain that Magic Mountain doesn't have enough flats. So, now they take more of them without replacing them.

Obviously, now they are going for the kids that go to Disneyland. Disney's California Adventure is an underperforming park. How is putting in a bunch of Zamperla rides, and theming going to really help them get the people from Disneyland? A train themed to Thomas is kind of cool though. I will give them that, but that's about it. The other rides are just typical helicopters where you can find at any amusement park in the world.

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Friday, February 22, 2008 6:17 PM

Spinout said:
People all of sudden love Magic Mountain.

You're putting the cart way in front of the horse here. Just because some people are optimistic about the future of the park (and really, I haven't seen much compelling evidence of that around these parts - maybe you know something I don't) doesn't mean people all of the sudden are in love with the park. I just don't see that at all.

I'm not a huge cheerleader for Shapiro or anything, either, but I think all of your other complaints are unreasonable. There's only so much you can do with a park in a few short months, and from the sounds of it you're expecting miracles in a very short time frame. Long term fixing of a park like this is going to take several years, even in the most ideal situation.

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Friday, February 22, 2008 7:08 PM
Go to the park tomorrow, and see how many rides are not open.

It's February. Go to Knotts, Disneyland, or DCA and you'll find rides closed there too. When would you rather rides be closed for maintenance...July? lol

He replaces the Tilt-A-Whirl, and the new spinny rides are the new Wiggle's World rides which are completely different size wise compared to the Tilt-A-Whirl. The Tilt-A-Whirl can accomodate many guests (from 5-100) whereas the kids rides are only for kids, and there parents. He likes taking medium rides out, and he doesn't sound like he's going to replace them.

Dude...did you even read the article?

First, the rides going into Thomas Town are not a replacement for the Tilt and other adult flats being removed. Second, the Tilt, Bayern Curve, and others were deemed too old and expensive to repair and, rather than let them sit idle and empty like the previous regime, they opted for removal. And third, Shapiro states in the article that those flats will be replaced over time.

People all of sudden love Magic Mountain.

Funny, just today I was thinking that all of a sudden Cedar Fair seems to have replaced Six Flags as the trendy company to hate. As for SFMM, I wouldn't say the tide has completely turned. I know plenty of people with a sour taste in their mouth and who still refuse to visit. That includes me.

But it does seem like Shapiro and Thomas are attempting to turn it around. They have a long way to go.

*** Edited 2/23/2008 12:21:17 AM UTC by Mamoosh***

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