SFGAM looking for plungers

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Chitown said:
Tekno

So relax sparky.

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Who are you calling Sparky? ;)

March 5?! they do it on June 22 in Antarctica...that's much more gutsy than March 5. And in New Zealand, they have a big mid-winter seim on June 22.

YOu've obviously never been anywhere around the great lakes during the winter.

Stereotyping is prejudging. He said:

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I think ALL Acer's should have to do it. It would make up for all the tv time they hog up, all the bad interviews, all the poor on ride commentary, and all the mis-information they give.

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He said 'All' and 'they' as a group. He made a stereotypical comment about 'all' of the members of a certain group, thus pre-judging 'all' members of that group. Remember, Prejudice dosen't mean it has to be a racial thing. It just means judging a whole group. Has every ACEr on this board been a TV hog, gave bad commentary and/or interviews/information? According to AJ, they have.

Had it been said in Jest, much like ARN&R who aren't being serious, it would have been funny, maybe. But AJ has said things in the past (read above me, I'm not the only one who noticed this) that were also Prejudice. Oh, but what do I know, I'm from WV (a comment he made about me once when my signature was www.penisland.com and remember, I'm not the one that clicked on it thinking it was perverted, I had someone else send it to me with an explination of what it was).

Agent Johnson constantly has something negative, arrogant, or prejudice to say when he posts, and I hardly find it humorous. It would be different if he were playing it up like we all do, but that was a negative comment without any 'punchline' to speak of, and is indicative of his personality, I'm sure.

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TeknoScorpion said:
Stereotyping is prejudging.

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Nope.

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He said:

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I think ALL Acer's should have to do it. It would make up for all the tv time they hog up, all the bad interviews, all the poor on ride commentary, and all the mis-information they give.

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He said 'All' and 'they' as a group. He made a stereotypical comment about 'all' of the members of a certain group, thus pre-judging 'all' members of that group. Remember, Prejudice dosen't mean it has to be a racial thing. It just means judging a whole group. Has every ACEr on this board been a TV hog, gave bad commentary and/or interviews/information? According to AJ, they have.

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Uhm what? His comment is stereotypical? How does a comment that seems to follow some expected rule show prejudice. Or does his comment define a stereotype? Regardless, stereotype and prejudice are not interchangeable. Even using your naive definition of the former term, identifying reconciliatory actions based on behavior is judging -- there's not much pre about it.

I'll assume it will not be necessary to show the illogic of your conclusion.

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Had it been said in Jest, much like ARN&R who aren't being serious, it would have been funny, maybe. But AJ has said things in the past (read above me, I'm not the only one who noticed this) that were also Prejudice. Oh, but what do I know, I'm from WV (a comment he made about me once when my signature was www.penisland.com and remember, I'm not the one that clicked on it thinking it was perverted, I had someone else send it to me with an explination of what it was).

Agent Johnson constantly has something negative, arrogant, or prejudice to say when he posts, and I hardly find it humorous. It would be different if he were playing it up like we all do, but that was a negative comment without any 'punchline' to speak of, and is indicative of his personality, I'm sure.

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Can I introduce you to the lovely adjective prejudiced? You may find that using it, instead of the noun prejudice, greatly improves the quality of communication. *** Edited 2/4/2005 9:05:44 AM UTC by hogfat***

Regardless of how I spell the term, lets look at a proper definition, which you failed to include (from dictionary.com):

Prejudiced: An adverse judgment or opinion formed beforehand or without knowledge or examination of the facts.
A preconceived preference or idea.
The act or state of holding unreasonable preconceived judgments or convictions.

Now to what AJ said:

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I think ALL Acer's should have to do it. It would make up for all the tv time they hog up, all the bad interviews, all the poor on ride commentary, and all the mis-information they give.

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He lumped all of ACE in that comment. How can he do that without meeting every single member? Easily. He Pre-Judged every single member before he met them and assumed (adversly, might I add) that they all (his terms, not mine) Hog TV, Give bad interviews, yadda yadda yadda. He played on a Stereotype to do it. Oh, I just happen to have a definition of that as well:(also see dictionary.com)

Stereotype: A conventional, formulaic, and oversimplified conception, opinion, or image.
To characterize by a stereotype: “Elderly Americans are the neglected sector of the fashion industry, stereotyped by blue hair and polyester pantsuits”

His comments were speaking of the 'stereotypical' (again, not my words, those were chitowns) ACEr. And STereotyping is 'characterizing and oversimplifying...opinion...image...yadda yadda yadda. Well, if you claim a stereotype against someone you've never met, you are still pre-judging them. Its when the person acts as a stereotype that is it less interchangable.

AJ was saying that all ACErs should have to jump in (judging them, in a sense to have to undergo what he sees more as a punishment) because of their stereotypical actions, which he does not agree with, because he feels that All ACErs do those things.

Too bad the origional person that posted their thoughts on AJ deleted the post, they obviously have seen that it is a constant thing from Johnson as well.

Remember, Logic isn't everything anyhow, it is only the beginning;) (just ask Spock).

And regardless of all the explaining you are trying to do to justify this, don't you think you are taking AJ's comment a little to seriously?

He has his opinion of ACE and if you are a member of this group, take it with a grain of salt if you know you don't follow the same stereotype that is labeled with ACE.

Coaster enthusiasts in general are stereotyped by non-enthusiasts. Does that bother you to?

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TeknoScorpion said:
Regardless of how I spell the term, lets look at a proper definition, which you failed to include (from dictionary.com)

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You didn't misspell, you were using an entirely different word.

I would hope that most people would look to an appropriate usage source on their own. What body actually recognizes dictionary.com as the authoritative reference for anything? You'll also note that, even on that site, neither word is posed as a synonym of the other -- a rather high requirement for two words to equate.

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Now to what AJ said:

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I think ALL Acer's should have to do it. It would make up for all the tv time they hog up, all the bad interviews, all the poor on ride commentary, and all the mis-information they give.

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He lumped all of ACE in that comment. How can he do that without meeting every single member? Easily. He Pre-Judged every single member before he met them and assumed (adversly, might I add) that they all (his terms, not mine) Hog TV, Give bad interviews, yadda yadda yadda.

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No, he didn't. Those are not his words. He claims that all ACErs should jump into a lake as a result of the unspecified number (all) of things ACErs (they) do. Not only does he make no indication as to the actions of individuals, he fails to specify how much the group performs an action.

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His comments were speaking of the 'stereotypical' (again, not my words, those were chitowns) ACEr. And STereotyping is 'characterizing and oversimplifying...opinion...image...yadda yadda yadda. Well, if you claim a stereotype against someone you've never met, you are still pre-judging them. Its when the person acts as a stereotype that is it less interchangable.

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Your interpretation of prejudice, as I have said before, is rather naive. In all but the most base readings, the word requires more than simple prior judgement. (see Merriam-Webster @ http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?book=Dictionary&va=predilection)

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AJ was saying that all ACErs should have to jump in (judging them, in a sense to have to undergo what he sees more as a punishment) because of their stereotypical actions, which he does not agree with, because he feels that All ACErs do those things.

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The judgement comes not from "stereotypical actions," but from their willing association with a club. That club perpetuates an amount of unspecified actions, and membership in that club perpetuates the club. Therefore one is being judged on their association with a club, nothing presumed.

Have you hugged a fat, hairy, fanny-pack wearing, gravy-stained ACER today? ;)

Someone's shorts are way too tight (and no, I'm not referring to ACERS).

Getting back to the subject at hand...They do an annual Polar Bear Plunge for charity in Baltimore every year. They just did it last week when the temperatures were miserably cold. They now provide a heated tent for everyone who goes in.

ACErs only?

D'oh! I'd do it in a heartbeat :(

Gus guys guys. I went back to read this forum, and yes, it did get out of whack. Therefore I apologize if anyone was really offended, even though there was plenty of counter comments. Glad we were all not on a plane at the same time.

I meant to say basically, and most people got it, was that ACErs all want to be invited to ride openings, sneak peaks, press gigs, etc. So, they should all as a whole make the sacrifice for the not so glamourous tasks at hand.

Some paint the Blue Streak at Conneaut, some swept the midway at Lake Compounce for the Labor Day opening, and some painted the Dipper at Belmont. And it has to be the whole representation of the bunch, from the magazine subscribers only to the patch fanny pack wearing super enthusiast.

So, if SF Chicago wants all of you jump in the Lake, then you should do it, but they should at least give 2 passes for every attendee, and $1000 to the museum fund. It is cold out there. Subject closed.

Actually, I went to the official site and under news, it says they are trying to find volunteers...not just ACErs. It says you recieve a free goodie bag if you do it. I'm definitely going to try and make it out on the 5th. *** Edited 2/12/2005 8:13:02 AM UTC by jw***