SFGAM and their poor management

Ok I may seem like one of those people who think they are the rightous and all of the others are the evil. But i'm not. At great america on opening day i went for the first time for the 2002 season. While I was their I wintnessed 3 men passing Marijuana between eachother. When I told a Rent-A-Cop this they just pulled the people over and told them to empty their pockets. When they did they quite obviously did not empty them all the way and the 3 men were released. This is rediculous. Ho can they not even have one real cop on the park premises. Any way I also think that Six Flags needs to hire a engineering firm to take a serious look at the 3 Deja Vu's. I;m sure intelligent peoplecould figure out why not having station brakes is a bad Idea. Or how have a 3 inch diameter steel cabel holding up a train load of passenger exposed in the open air next to a tree. If you ask me six flags needs to realize that we the coaster enthusiasts know whats wrong with a park and they should take our advice.

*** This post was edited by Sean C on 5/26/2002. ***

If they took some enthusiast's advice, we would be in deep trouble. A 30,000,000,000,000,000,001 foot tall coaster that pulls 50 gs, has 90 inversions, and goes 26,049 mph is not good...needless to say. ;)

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Your right, coaster enthusiasts know what the park needs much better than management.

SFGAM is one of the better managed "big" parks in the country. They are working on getting Deja Vu running relilably. It's easy for someone on the outside, without all the facts, to say what should be done to fix it. In the real world, things are a little more complicated than that.

Why don't you give them a break, ok?

Kyle

*** This post was edited by Recess on 5/25/2002. ***

So, was anyone at the park today? Did it open? (There was some rain, so there's a 99% chance the answer is no, but I thought I'd ask the question for kicks).

I'm not encouraging mary jane in any way, but what did it bother you that 3 guys out of however many at the park were breaking rules? All that should matter is if you're doing it or not. Let them govern themselves, and if they get caught in the process of breaking the rules, fine, if not, bummer. If they were doing somthing horrible that would endanger the safety of others then by all means report it, but this wasn't a life and death situation.

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Wash away us all. Take us with the floods.

Last June I saw a certain park's security staff take down a guest with the biggest bag of doobie (gallon size freezer bag) I've seen since I don't know when.

Only it belonged to a suburban teen-age kid in Minnesota. BTW, there weren't any so-called 'real cops' there either.

As if drug usage was ONLY a problem at SFGAM....oh puhleeeeze.

-'Playa

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The security guards can only do so much, you know. Otherwise legal issues might come up.

And Deja Vu, thats not really GAm's problem, just thier nightmare they must live with. It's SF's problem.

I myself would say they do not have poor managment by any means. If those 2 reasons are the only reason you can think of why it's 'poor,' you may want to rethink you're wording. Thats just 2 problems at an enormous operation. Not bad at all, IMO. Lets see you try to do that, even after going through the correct schooling and being qualified to do it.

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Whats more reliable? Deja Vu, or RCT running without a trapper error?

If you ask me six flafs needs to realize that we the coaster enthusiasts know whats wrong with a park and they shjould take our advice.

Yeah they should listen to you because you know what the park needs. Next time you comment on someones lack of knowledge please make sure you spell SHOULD correctly....not SHJOULD... If you ask me they should "taer" it down! LOL

Those people smokin' pot were not hurting anyone by themselves (and even that is debatable), mind your own freakin business. Wannabe know it all narc. Lame.

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Sean C said:
If you ask me six flafs needs to realize that we the coaster enthusiasts know whats wrong with a park and they shjould take our advice.

That's the stupidest thing I've ever heard. Enthusiasts don't know jack about running a park unless they've actually run a park.

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"As far as I can tell it doesn't matter who you are. If you can believe, there's something worth fighting for..." - Garbage, "Parade"

Smoking marijuana in a park deters from a family atmosphere at the park. And when you have patrons who are high on drugs there is no telling what they may do on a ride to put themsleves or others in danger!!! Its sad that their security is unwilling to do their job when alerted to a problem by a customer. When you are on private property they have the right to search all your pockets just as they have that right when you enter the park. When i go to a park i dont expect people to be doing drugs right in the open and expect the park to do their job when alerted to the violation.

Joe Carroll said:

Those people smokin' pot were not hurting anyone by themselves (and even that is debatable), mind your own freakin business. Wannabe know it all narc. Lame.

I couldn't agree more.

"SFGAM and their poor management"...something tells me the park would become an excellent gestapo holiding facility if run by "qualified individuals"....what the ? I'm not saying that smoking pot in the open at a park is OK, but I have to wonder why Sean C was the only one who noticed, and felt *compelled* to not only report the incident, but to check up on security's response.....I'd prescribe a life, but I'm no doctor...

Seriously, the Deja Vus are failures by any standard, and with Vekoma and SF at a stand-off, nothing major is going to be done to fix them anytime soon.....my *belief* is that SF realizes this may be a drawn-out battle, and that's probably the reasoning behind the "quick fix".

Why don't you complain to the park, and say that you should listen to us coaster freaks. In which I don't know how to run a park. I don't have a business degree nor do I have any exprience in the amusment industry. Put it in perspectics, that the park is doing it's best, and that it cost money.

Deja Vu is at that park seems to me is the only one having problems. Deja Vu at Magic Mountian seems to work fine.

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*** This post was edited by Apollo16 on 5/26/2002. ***

Yes I do need to spell check my post, but I still believe that Six flags in general need to begin to take a serious look at park operating systems. All of you people who think i'm a nark, well thats fine, but what you don't know is one of my friends Overdosed on an illegal substance and died. I didn't know what they were intending to use the weed for and in my opinion they could have sold it to someone. And about Deja Vu, It is six flags problem but mostly it's Vekoma's

For shame, this isn't about coaster freaks running a park. It's about having your home park over run by hobos and drunkies. I don't think you want to be on Raging Bull with two people dippin' in front of you and spit tobbaco in the air that eventually lands on your face while goingdown the first drop. I don't think you want a bunch of teens throwin' lit cigarettes on Viper when their done. Or drunkies discharging all that alcohol while going up V2's twisted spike. A park's atmosphere should not be ruinned by drug dealers going crazy in the park. Go kill your self in downtown Chicago, take it to the redlight zone, but don't bring that foolish behavior to Six Flags Great America, it will just be more uncertified evidence for Ed Markey . Tell me if you guys want the happy atmosphere of Holiday World to turn into East Oakland?!!

Also, if enthusiasts aren't good sources of advice for running parks then go tell Cedar Fair, Kennywood Entertainment, and Holiday World to stop listening to us daily!!!

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*** This post was edited by Vertigo on 5/26/2002. ***

Six Flags sells beer. Alcohol does more harm to "family atmosphere" daily, than Pot has ever. Pot is not PCP...no body is gonna "go crazy" from smoking pot. No one is going to overdose on Pot either.

Btw, I'm just fighting ignorance...I don't even like pot that much, but feel it is more or less harmless...like anything used in moderation & responsibly. Smoking pot isn't any worse than Cigarrettes or Beer.

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Current favorite coasters:
Wooden: 1) Beast 2) Raven 3) Son of Beast 4) The Boss 5) Timber Wolf
Steel: 1) Raging Bull 2) Millennium Force 3) V2 4) Wild Thing 5) Mr. Freeze
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Pot is illegal beer is not. Until pot becomes legal you have no case for it to be ok to smoke in a park.

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*** This post was edited by supermandl on 5/26/2002. ***

Joe Carroll said:

Six Flags sells beer. Alcohol does more harm to "family atmosphere" daily, than Pot has ever. Pot is not PCP...no body is gonna "go crazy" from smoking pot. No one is going to overdose on Pot either.
Btw, I'm just fighting ignorance...I don't even like pot that much, but feel it is more or less harmless...like anything used in moderation & responsibly. Smoking pot isn't any worse than Cigarrettes or Beer.
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Current favorite coasters:
Wooden: 1) Beast 2) Raven 3) Son of Beast 4) The Boss 5) Timber Wolf
Steel: 1) Raging Bull 2) Millennium Force 3) V2 4) Wild Thing 5) Mr. Freeze
Visit: http://www.dynamicgroove.com

Somking pot is just as bad as the reset of that mess. I don't care if you rap tobbaco, cocaine, mary J, or even tanbark in that paper, you're still smokin' and hurting your body. People go crazy everyday from smoking. Just talk to some of my "crazy" uncles who sit in those chairs all day talkin' about what their going to do tomorrow and the other uncle that is in jail for throwing my cousin out the window of a three story buiding, or my fifth uncle who locked my 95 year old great grandpa out of his own house for 4 days. All of those people smoke, and it may not seem that harmful to you, but it cuases many tragic incidents and deaths everyday.

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Lake Compounce-So Fresh and So Clean Clean

I used to hang with a few people who openly smoked and sold pot at Cedar Point back in the late 80's and early 90's,so don't think this is just a Six Flags problem.It happens almost everywhere.

Smoking one mary jane equals out to smoking a full pack of cigarrettes.