SFGADV's Pretzel Loop

Thursday, December 19, 2002 12:24 PM
I was wondering, due to NJ g-force laws, will they have to tone down the pretzel loop a little bit, or will it be the same as SFOG's?

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Thursday, December 19, 2002 12:47 PM

There's really not all that much you CAN do to tone down a pretzel loop. By it's very design, it's going to pull some hefty G's.

Not to mention SFGAd's version will have eight rows as opposed to seven.

Lastly, it's not THAT forceful that those weird NJ laws are going to have any sort of effect. The G's don't last for all that long.

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Thursday, December 19, 2002 1:49 PM
I may very well be wrong (Ha!) but I did hear that Great Adventures's Pretzel loop would be de-balled.
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Thursday, December 19, 2002 2:05 PM
How can a pretzle Loop be "de-balled" O.o

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Thursday, December 19, 2002 6:50 PM

Isn't the limit 6 G's? If that is the case then I really don't believe SUF pulls no more then 4.5.

Coasterman Mike - who definitely didn't feel like he weighed 900 lbs while riding SUF

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Thursday, December 19, 2002 6:56 PM

Agreed, Mike. I'm not sure it's necessarily a high level of force as much as it is a prolonged force.

Sure it was noticable, but I think that's due to the duration not the level of the G's in the Pretzel Loop.

I'm basing that on nothing more than my one ride on S:UF, so take it for what it's worth.

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Thursday, December 19, 2002 7:12 PM

Antuan said:
I may very well be wrong (Ha!) but I did hear that Great Adventures's Pretzel loop would be de-balled.


What is "de-balled" ?

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Thursday, December 19, 2002 7:58 PM

I believe the the limit is 5.6 g's for more than one second... shouldn't affect the pretzel loop, I think the closest any ride in the park comes is near 5 of chiller red.

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Friday, December 20, 2002 7:21 AM
I believe what "de-balled" is refering to is that the pretzel loop will be slightly tamer than the SFOG version. This isn't the first time I heard this. I remember reading about it before and it was briefly mentioned that they will slightly adjust the pretzel loop to reduce the G forces a bit. Hopefully it will only be slightly tamer or not effected at all. We may not even feel the difference.
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Friday, December 20, 2002 8:52 AM
I really dont think it's going to need to be. Can anyone think of any recent coasters that pull more than 5.5, let alone 6.5? I sure can't, sure it's stupid that there is a g-force law, but the thing is I really don't think it's ever going to affect anything.
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Friday, December 20, 2002 9:20 AM

The one thing I noticed at Gr8 Adv was that while riding their rotor it didn't even go fast enough to make us stick to the wall. I was so disappointed. That is the whole purpose of the ride.

I am sure the pretzel loop will remain intact. I am sure the Great American Scream Machine pulls more G's than a B&M flyer.

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Friday, December 20, 2002 9:24 AM
Texas Tornado pulls about 6.5 g's
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Friday, December 20, 2002 10:05 AM
From what I've heard, it's not that the loop is too intense for the law, it's that the loop is more intense than Wally and Claude thought it would be. If you think about it, the rest of the ride is fairly tame. I think the flyers are intended to be more "family-oriented" rides, and the loop discourages your average "family" from riding it.

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Friday, December 20, 2002 11:01 AM
I don't think sfgadv's really care if it would be a family attraction. I also heard the two new flyers are going to be tamed down. I don't know why but I hear people like it intense. It shouldn't be a problem when the chiller pulls 5 g's flat.
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Saturday, December 21, 2002 10:58 AM

True - but think about the logevity of the truely intense loopers of the past.

Shockwave's gone, GASm isn't the most popular thing in the world, and Viper isn't going to be the only big, sit-down looper in its park anymore (and will definately take a backseat to Scream.)

I think that (gasp) taming it down *may* be a good idea. More g-forces = more nausea, and that means less riding (or, probably just as important, re-riding).

In addition, it'll take the trains a longer time to tear themselves apart, so they're saving money there. Some B&Ms have a serious rattle going on at low points (where you get high g-forces). Specifically, I'm talking about rides like Raging Bull @ SFGAm and B:KF @ WoA, but there are certainly others.

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Saturday, December 21, 2002 2:20 PM
Or maybe they are doing it because of the 8 cars it will have, making it probably the same intensity as the one at Sfog. If they was to leave the pretzel loop the same, it will be even more intsense so they are changing it to better suite the extra car, hopefully making the intensity still be there.
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Saturday, December 21, 2002 3:26 PM
I've read the New Jersey law in detail and no coaster is likely to have a problem with the G limits with one exception. There are limits on sudden reversals from negative to positive G's that could be a problem for a few coasters, but I don't think it would be likely to be a problem for a B&M flyer.
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Saturday, December 21, 2002 3:36 PM
Also keep in mind where the G forces are felt on the human body. On just about every other roller coaster, the G forces are sustained by your butt, or feet. On SUF, your chest cavity is what has to endure the G forces. You're flat on your back during the most intense portion so it FEELS 10x worse than it actually is.

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Saturday, December 21, 2002 4:57 PM

Homey G. said:
You're flat on your back during the most intense portion so it FEELS 10x worse than it actually is.


...isn't that supposed to read 10X *better*...;). And an additional "last row"....I know where I'd be headed...:)

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