SFGAdv flyer, 1 station?

Sunday, October 27, 2002 12:23 PM

forgive me if this has been discussed elsewhere but i tend not to read threads that are about 10 pages long!

look at this plan of the SFGAdv flyer, i dont see the usual duel loading station, it seem to be just a single station.

http://www.coasterforce.com/images/147815_Superaerial.jpg

do the flyers load faster than B&M originally thought, or will this coaster be the first to use the new loading system?

thoughts please!

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Sunday, October 27, 2002 12:35 PM

Is the inverson(pretzle loop(sp?)?) the only part of the B&M flyer that is actualy 'on top' of the track? If so why is it called a Flayer if it's just an inverted with a mad inverson?Is there somthing I don't know?

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400ft?, Thats a long way down, You bet!!!
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Sunday, October 27, 2002 12:39 PM

when you ride the ride you are lying down, see here:

http://www.rcdb.com/installationgallery1458.htm?Picture=2

due to this riding position, it feels like you are flying

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Sunday, October 27, 2002 12:55 PM
Where have you been Dropfreak

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Sunday, October 27, 2002 1:09 PM
Be sure to wave to me in the operating booth, guys...

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Sunday, October 27, 2002 1:25 PM

Kyle, you're going to be lead-opping S:UF...have you mentioned it before and I missed it, or is this "news"? Ed and I will be SURE to wave, provided it doesn't *go down* as soon as he sets foot in the station....ROFL...;). We'll even bring the "wenches" along for good measure!

BTW, the "standard dual-loading station" is standard only for the Vekomas. IIRC, Stealth only had a single loading station, and probably it was when Paramount realized what a nightmare it was to load/unload, and the significant downtime, that they passed on more. When SF picked up their two Vekoma flyers, the dual loading station addressed the capacity issue. Of course, the one at SFA ran one station because they didn't have the staff...??? The load/unload on the Beemers is only a LITTLE harder than that of their inverteds, meaning there really is *no need* for a second station. S:UF certainly runs through the peeps at a pretty good clip. IMO, enthusiasts in Joisey and Chitown should be dancing in the streets...the upgrades in durability, comfort, and capacity over the Vekomas more than outweigh ANY drawbacks...

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Sunday, October 27, 2002 11:42 PM

Matthayman, I have been to every park in Australia (that matters), one day I will get over there and ride all the coasters I see!! (Im 16 so I will start saving now and get there when i'm say, 60!!)

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400ft?, Thats a long way down, You bet!!!
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*** This post was edited by Dropfreak on 10/28/2002. ***

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Monday, October 28, 2002 12:26 PM

Who really knows. The building looks similar to SFOG's dual station. It could just be a quick rendering that's not really "official."

If in fact they only have one station, kiss the thoughts of three trains goodbye...

BTW Kyle, you'll have lots of fun running your Superman... see if you can dispatch "one handed." SFOG maintenance changed our panel layout because we could use one hand to press both buttons simultaneously... "well you're not SUPPOSED to be able to do that!"

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*** This post was edited by General Public on 10/28/2002. ***

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Monday, October 28, 2002 3:49 PM

The station will indeed be single loading with 2 32 passenger trains. It seems that they can get just as high capacity numbers with 2 bigger trains than with 3 trains (28 passenger)using a dual loading station scheme. The only bad thing is, the ride relies on the station loading/unloading mechanism to function properly. If this one has a problem similar to AIR, it cannot run at all wheras AIR and SUF have a second station to fall back on.

The good news is future B&M flyers(2004 and beyond) will employ a mechanism built into the trains that will control the loading and unloading thus removing any future station issues. If something goes wrong, the ride can still function with 1 train.

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Monday, October 28, 2002 4:26 PM
Future station issues? I would hardly call one minor "incident" (if you can even call it that) on air an issue.

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Monday, October 28, 2002 5:33 PM

General Public said:

If in fact they only have one station, kiss the thoughts of three trains goodbye...



What about flush loading? It's really efficent, and no second station is needed.

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Monday, October 28, 2002 5:59 PM

The thing is with the current system if the loading mechanism malfunctions, the station itself is down. In comparison on the Vekoma model, its loading mechanism is train based wheras if it has a malfunction, the ride will not suffer downtime.

If a loading arm "snaps" after only a couple weeks of operation, I would call that an issue. If AIR didn't have a dual station, they would have had to shut the ride down completely for repairs. Since it did have dual stations, the ride was able to stay operational, which of course lessened the problem. I'm sure more people would have considered it a "major issue" if the ride suffered complete downtime.

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Monday, October 28, 2002 7:35 PM

What do you mean by flush loading?

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Tuesday, October 29, 2002 2:32 AM
FYI, the broken arm on air was fixed by the next day so it wouldnt have caused a major period of downtime, only an afternoon
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Tuesday, October 29, 2002 11:41 AM

General Public said:

What do you mean by flush loading?



You know, you get one the coaster, it goes through the circut, and you are stopped a few yards frome the place where you get on. Then you get off. Next the train in the station heads out, and the train you just got off goes in. It's really efficent.

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Tuesday, October 29, 2002 12:06 PM
Kev, that's not actually flush loading. Flusih loding is when the people are allowed to embark as the other people are disembarking. If you've ever been to CP or Kennywood, where they dont have airgates on some coasters you'd see flush loading. Theoretically, you can flush load with airgates. Unfortunately, that doesnt happen nearly as often as it should.

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Tuesday, October 29, 2002 12:09 PM

Swimmerkev,

I get what you're saying regardless of the definition. However, the premade SUF layout doesn't have room for an unloading station.

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Tuesday, October 29, 2002 4:27 PM

Not sure there IS an "accepted term" for what swimmerkev is talking about....can we call it "sequential loading"? Works like a charm for MF, and really does blast peeps through the ride....

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Tuesday, October 29, 2002 6:54 PM
The problem with doing that on a flyer is that, in order for the trains to move, the trains must be in the flying position. If it was unloaded in an unload station, the restraints would all have to be closed, the train would go into the prone position, then advance to the load station, then swing down. So it would be time consuming just to move the trains from unload to load.

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Tuesday, October 29, 2002 7:44 PM
....but couldn't that be fixed too....I know it's a pain in the butt to move the 4-d trains through the station too, and requires that the seats rotate, which does take up time unnecessarily. I understand that they can't currently move without going into prone position, but it seems that it's just something that needs to be addressed in engineering...assuming of course that this *issue* is deemed worth addressing...considering the number of people attending SFGAdv and SFGAm, I'd be willing to *suggest* that this MAY be fixed in the new design....Among B&M's real *claims to fame* IMO are their design improvements (or am I just a persistent optimist?)....;)

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