Seat mechanism on BORG Assimilator fails

Monday, March 19, 2007 5:42 PM
I'd assume there is a mechanism on the trains which extends out a brake if the train is not in the flying position. This brake could then slow the train in cases such as this.

That's my theory. YMMV, and I'm probably wrong. :)

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Monday, March 19, 2007 5:50 PM
But it seems like if there were something that stuck out on the train and into the track, it'd damage the track pretty significantly, because as far as I can tell the track wasn't designed for that sort of thing. I can't imagine what kind of brake could be on the train to slow it down, unless it's like RollerCoastin said and the change in momentum caused the train to valley. Of course, if that's the case, seems like people would have been hurt worse, but I dunno.
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Monday, March 19, 2007 6:21 PM
Think about this. The Vekoma models retract the upper torso as opposed to B&M retracting the lower. If the mechanism let go and you are in the flying position, it would be like hanging by your feet. (Shiver...not good)
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Monday, March 19, 2007 9:10 PM
The trains on Colossos (Heide Park) have an axle-brake which is used to control the speed if it should get too high. I don´t know if the other Intamin woodies have the same device. But those brakes can´t stop the train, nor reduce the speed beyond a certain point.

Maybe Vekpma added the possibility to block the wheels in case of a seat malfunction? I don´t think this is very likely, but who would have thought that the seat locking device would/could fail.

This shines a new light on the "failsafe" brakes on the Tilt/Thrill lift.

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Tuesday, March 20, 2007 1:54 AM
you beat me to it, tricktrack.

I'm thinking there's a braking mechanism for the wheels/axles.

Almost like your car - when you want to stop, there aren't any brakes that jump up from the road and touch your car - you simply apply a brake that stops your wheels from turning as fast and you slow down.

Given that, in addition to the change in aerodynamics, and it's possible it would roll back and valley at the bottom of the loop.

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Tuesday, March 20, 2007 11:30 AM
Someone mentioned above that this may very well effect Batwing's opening this season which brings up a question. Does anybody here think it could delay the Firehawk opening as well since it's a Batwing clone? I know KI has many attractions but for SOB to be closed for what I'm going to estimate most of the yr it would be pretty bad for the new coaster to open very late as well.
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Tuesday, March 20, 2007 11:37 AM
I'd imagine that both Batwing and FireHawk will be CLOSELY inspected, now that (I assume) Carowinds has figured out what caused the failure.

Information-sharing in the industry, ESP. when it comes to mechanical/safety issues, is nothing short of *top-notch*. Even in the absence of federal oversight... ;)

If the Feds were involved, it would take a year for the *report of the incident* to get cleared for the other parks to see...LOL!
*** Edited 3/20/2007 3:39:31 PM UTC by rollergator***

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Tuesday, March 20, 2007 12:02 PM
The trains on Firehawk and Batwing are different than Borg.

Borg uses a mechanical system in the station to raise and lower the trains, and locking pins that hold them in the "Fly" position. Firehawk and Batwing have the onboard system.

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Tuesday, March 20, 2007 12:23 PM
^ I was just going to bring that up. The newer Dutchmen have on-board hydraulic systems that allow the trains to roll in the upright position. The original design called for the seat recline to take place on the lift (a very cool experience the one time it happened to me on X-Flight). I'm not too familiar with the Stealth/Borg trains, but I could envision a system that grips the rails when the seats are upright more practical than something that stops the wheels.

Needless to say, I don't see a Dutchman running anytime soon.

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Tuesday, March 20, 2007 12:35 PM
Firehawk's trains are currently in an extensive refurbishment period in KI's maintenance shop, being completely rewired, all the seat and restraint padding released, and cleaning them up. I expect the tilting mechanisms will be getting an extremely fine-toothed comb inspection on them soon.

Something tells me Borg is going to end up with both trains completely taken apart and rebuilt again before it starts up again.

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Tuesday, March 20, 2007 2:00 PM
That's what I was afraid of I was really looking forward to trying Firehawk at the end of June. Does anyone think the trains being different will account for much? Last season all the premier coasters were closed except the FOF's because from what I heard they were made differently and didn't contain the same problem. I'm also not sure if Speed ever closed.
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Tuesday, March 20, 2007 4:26 PM
It's funny... this has always been my biggest fear of these rides. I wondered for a long time how quickly I would die if X-Flight were to pop like that.
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Tuesday, March 20, 2007 4:40 PM
The restraint didn't fail - the seat tilt mechanism did. From the reports at least, no one was in danger of falling out of the ride. You'd just be in a different position which could probably be rough or painful, but definitely not going to kill you.
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Tuesday, March 20, 2007 4:42 PM
The trains on Firehawk worked fine at Geauga Lake, so I assume they will work fine at King's Island. There shouldn't be any delay due to pulling the entire train apart, though. It happens every offseason for inspections, anyway.
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Tuesday, March 20, 2007 5:00 PM
^It sure did work good. Of course, after Six flags sold out, it was hardly ever used.
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Tuesday, March 20, 2007 6:37 PM
http://www.wsoctv.com/news/11308720/detail.html

I call BS.

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Tuesday, March 20, 2007 6:41 PM
If the ride was NOT preventing that sort of thing from happening before, I'm saying that was REALLY poor design...

ASSUMING that ^this^ is true, the "human error" was in the design of the controls.

On a more positive note, I might get to PCar on Sunday now... :)

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Tuesday, March 20, 2007 6:44 PM
Problem is, there is no connection between the control panel and the trains on the course. There is no onboard computer on Borg's trains, and no wireless connection or onboard hydraulic system. I don't see how that could even have happened.
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Tuesday, March 20, 2007 6:48 PM

halltd said:
The restraint didn't fail - the seat tilt mechanism did.

Thank you. I hadn't heard about that.

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Tuesday, March 20, 2007 8:36 PM
I can't see a button on the control panel of the ride doing this like pkidelirium said. However, if the employees were maintenance staff, they could've had something ON the train that could release the seats? I'm not sure why you would EVER want to do that, but that's the only way I see that news story as being credible. I guess the "news" story could be completely bogus too. Most news stories on coasters are wrong anyways. LOL!!
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